[alan lewis]

The TM that you buy is the one that covers your needs, as has been said most domestic jobs use rarely more than 100ft of hose so big machines can be overkill, Whilst diesel machines might be tempting because of fuel costs, they are also, heavy, a bit smelly and can shake themselves to bits if not really well looked after! So buy a petrol machine and run it on LPG.

I have had my TM for 7 years and its only done 2500hrs, but thats because, as Peter said, i also clean with a portable....when i have'to! and a couple of LM systems aswell which is fine because your still earning without putting hours on the machine, so with regards to the air or water cooled debate, i guess most people who go for water cooled engines do so because of longevity, but an air cooled machine can still be going strong after 10 or more years.....decisions, decisions

Alan

[Simon Gerrard]

Please educate me then.....

Have a day out with Glyn  or Steve Knight, that's not just an education, it's a master class in how a truck mount can help you make serious money in the carpet cleaning business.

Simon

[Hilton]

Please educate me then.....

Have a day out with Glyn  or Steve Knight, that's not just an education, it's a master class in how a truck mount can help you make serious money in the carpet cleaning business.

Simon

I dont need to...

Want I wanted to know is how the markets differ but no one can answer it..

[peter maybury]

If you are a rickshaw driver in india you will not get people jumping into you rickshaw and asking you to take them 100 mile down the road. You will never see the need for buying a car to become a taxi driver.
With a truckmount you are able to do the jobs that a portable does. But you cannot do it the other way around.
Here all you truckmount experts that run portable machines will say how difficult access is for some job etc etc,
I have used my portable machine 2 or 3 times in the last 2 years.
A truckmount will open doors for you and until you make the change you will never imagine how.
I cannot count the number of portables that I have actually own over the years but it is well over 20, with the large areas we used to do I often had 5 top end machines on site and would always have 1 or 2 machine as back up.
Life is just so much easier with a truckmount and peoples perceptions on the machine are different. again if you are going into job with a porty people are not going to say it to you.
You can change your van and everyone will say remember that crappy van you used to drive round in but they said nothing about it when you drove round in it.
I wish that I had listened to some of the more experienced people a long time ago instead of making the same mistakes so many had made before me.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://

[Simon Gerrard]

Please educate me then.....

Have a day out with Glyn  or Steve Knight, that's not just an education, it's a master class in how a truck mount can help you make serious money in the carpet cleaning business.

Simon

I dont need to...

Want I wanted to know is how the markets differ but no one can answer it..

That’s because the ‘markets’ don’t differ.
There is however a segment of the market (and quite a large one), of people who have had their carpets cleaned before and had a bad experience (and that’s not difficult given some of the horror stories we hear on an alarmingly regular basis) and this time want it done properly and are willing to pay for it.
We all know you can do a perfectly professional job with a portable, the problem is within the portable fraternity there are a huge number of operators that let’s just say do a less than professional job and customers often associate that lack of quality with the ‘little electric machine’ the guy used. This time around the customer is a good deal more cautious and tend to look a lot harder. They then come across companies with very impressive looking machines fitted into vans that even at first glance appear far more professional when compared to the ‘little electric machine’ the guy used last time. They then contact you pre-warmed to what you are offering because (rightly or wrongly) perceive that company to be more professional, more committed and more likely to deliver the quality they want AND are prepared to pay what you ask. Then, if the result is so much better than before (and it so often is) they will stick with you because having tried other cleaners and been dissatisfied come to believe they there is only one choice for future cleans – you.
Marketing wise it is the art of putting people in a position where they can’t get what you do anywhere else. And that is why a Truck Mount is not just a cleaning system, it is a marketing system too and the marketing aspect of it can alone pay for the machine many times over.
None of the above is knocking portable operators, the problem the good ones have is there are so many others similarly equipped who are not as committed to quality as the rest and so the ‘little electric machine’ operators end up being all tarred with the same brush. You can step out of that effect by having a TM so that you are marketing more towards the quality end of the market.

Simon

[john martin]

 An ETM like the Escape could at least bridge the gap between TM and portable . 
 
 An ETM is not a portable mounted in a van  , it should overcome the compromises contained within a portable design , which inturn has its own advantages .

 The Escape has twice the vac performance of the more powerfull portables .
 A high performance pump like a truckmount .
 A pumpout far more powerfull  and capable of keeping up in any situation .
 Features not practical on a portable like chemical metering .

I should reach around the average house with decent performance .  With no stop-start like a portable , no issues like pumpout not keeping up . Running relatively quietly in the van , and protected from the weather . Should be faster in most situations  with a more professional image for the portable user with low running costs or as an alternative for suitable jobs for TM users running a second van .   
 
 

[Hilton]

Please educate me then.....

Have a day out with Glyn  or Steve Knight, that's not just an education, it's a master class in how a truck mount can help you make serious money in the carpet cleaning business.

Simon

I dont need to...

Want I wanted to know is how the markets differ but no one can answer it..

That’s because the ‘markets’ don’t differ.

Simon

Exactly, its taken a long time but we got there eventually....

[Hilton]

If you are a rickshaw driver in india you will not get people jumping into you rickshaw and asking you to take them 100 mile down the road. You will never see the need for buying a car to become a taxi driver.
With a truckmount you are able to do the jobs that a portable does. But you cannot do it the other way around.
Here all you truckmount experts that run portable machines will say how difficult access is for some job etc etc,
I have used my portable machine 2 or 3 times in the last 2 years.
A truckmount will open doors for you and until you make the change you will never imagine how.
I cannot count the number of portables that I have actually own over the years but it is well over 20, with the large areas we used to do I often had 5 top end machines on site and would always have 1 or 2 machine as back up.
Life is just so much easier with a truckmount and peoples perceptions on the machine are different. again if you are going into job with a porty people are not going to say it to you.
You can change your van and everyone will say remember that crappy van you used to drive round in but they said nothing about it when you drove round in it.
I wish that I had listened to some of the more experienced people a long time ago instead of making the same mistakes so many had made before me.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://

I get your point but the rickshaw analogy does not really work, Mrs Public does not get to see a TM operating along side a portable before she makes a decision as to which service to use, she will also make a judgement on cost and her first impression on the carpet cleaner or the company if quoted over the phone.

I dont see why a portable can not do what a TM does either, although you may not want to, top end portables can operate 100ft or more away and some have more than enough power, if that whats floats your boat, to do any job at hand.As for access try working in some areas of central London with a TM its nigh on impossible.

If as a TM operator your costs and therefore your prices are higher then you have to justify that to the prospect who has probably already talked to another company who may be portable operator and who's price will be lower but the 'service' just as or even better than yours.

I am not arguing against the benefits of a TM as an operator,clearly most if not all would like to have one, I am just saying that the 'market' for all forms of carpet cleaning are the same, that is not say that a particular system will not win over another one as obviously the best option for a particular job.

You pays your money and you takes your choice and in the domestic arena and especially in these times Mrs Public don't care what your using so long as its done well.

[fibresafe]

John,

Do you know how the vacs are set up on the ETM?

Thanks
Fibresafe

[john martin]

John,

Do you know how the vacs are set up on the ETM?

Thanks
Fibresafe

In the Escape ?   yes  ,  four motors , two pairs of motors in series  ... running in parallel .

Giving the 'lift ' of series ... and the airflow of parallel .

Which exact electro motor im not 100% sure .   I presume its the  560airwatt  vac , same as they use in the USA version .  which runs about 7amps .

They measure the performance in this video ... i dont fully trust those omega gauges for cfm after the ashbys/airflex thing ... but its an indication anyway .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GVKp1x9Zt8

[fibresafe]

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

[john martin]

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

You only get about 70% of the second motor in series , so it wouldn't even be 244" , probably around  200" if that was the motor they were using ...
I really don't think it is  , although they could combine the two vacs like Ashbys do .

I think the Escape is exceeding the whole 13amp thing , how that stands legally i don't know , but you don't suddenly pop breakers and plug fuses if you exceed 13amps ...
In most modern homes you will be on 20amp circuits / 23-35 in kitchen areas ...
and the plug fuse was there originally to protect the poor wiring in ancient homes  , and itself is capable of exceeding 13amps in the relative short term anyway .

But like i said i just don't know for sure ... if you are on  TMF   ,  PM John LaBarbara and ask him , he responds to Pms ... i might just ask him myself for the hell of it .

The Escape is running Lmb2a motors as far as know , which is the 7amp one , the pump will vary amp wise according to pressure used .
Its running 230v in the states also as most of the newer houses have 230v in the utility room for the washing machine /dryer .... rest of the house is 120v ... a circuit combiner is supplied to use @120v also ... but its a hell of a lot of messing around compared to using it over here .

[Paul Moss]

Yawn.....

[john martin]

Yawn.....

Fecker   

[john martin]

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

OK ... the  ' Parts and accessory '  on this page lists the vac as the  '  C304 230v '
which is an Electro Motor of around 500 airwatts    and   6.4 amps .

http://www.mytee.com/products/escape-etm-electric-truckmount/#.Ug7BtfnQRRR

Its a high lift three stage rated at 144"  
CFM is around 100

So why the high airflow  ....  I believe other 4vac machines like the Goliath has been recorded with more airflow than you'd predict in a twin vac configuration ..
but i don't believe Mytees 325cfm to fully accurate , but u never know .

In any case its the combination of both high lift and high cfm at the same time with sets it apart from either a series of parallel twinvac .

[john martin]

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

And at the risk of boring the Arse off some  ....    i got the following reply from John LaBarbara  ...

"  The distributor in the UK buys the same Escape we sell in the US. 5.7's 115 cfm, 144"

 

[Paul Moss]

Yawn.....

Fecker   

[fibresafe]

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

And at the risk of boring the Arse off some  ....    i got the following reply from John LaBarbara  ...

"  The distributor in the UK buys the same Escape we sell in the US. 5.7's 115 cfm, 144"

 

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

And at the risk of boring the Arse off some  ....    i got the following reply from John LaBarbara  ...

"  The distributor in the UK buys the same Escape we sell in the US. 5.7's 115 cfm, 144"

 

Mytee’s website shows the ETM's motors at 100CFM each:

http://www.mytee.com/products/c304-vacuum-motor/

2 x pairs of those would do around 200 CFM, not 325!! Didn’t that Omega gauge in the Mytee video show Ashby’s machine doing 190CFM when the true CFM's more like 100?

Plus, you’re saying there are 2 x 6.4amp motors AND a 2500psi pump on one power cord? That can't be right!! How much current does a 2500psi pump draw – 8amps minimum I would guess even running idle and probably more? That would make at least 21amps on one 13amp power cord!! Then you’ll need long extension cords to reach the socket in the house which increases current draw even more. Just doesn't add up!!

[john martin]

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

And at the risk of boring the Arse off some  ....    i got the following reply from John LaBarbara  ...

"  The distributor in the UK buys the same Escape we sell in the US. 5.7's 115 cfm, 144"

 

Can't be the 7 amp one, that would mean 14 amps on one power cord and 14 amps plus the 2500psi pump on the other - so well over the 13amps available on each lead (and that's without even adding in auto-empty pump etc.)

They have to be using the next 240 volt Electro motor down which is 5.2 amps - giving maximum 96CFM, 122" water lift.

Wouldn't 2 pairs of those give around 192CFM and 244" water lift?

Great lift but much lower airflow than the top end porties if that's right

And at the risk of boring the Arse off some  ....    i got the following reply from John LaBarbara  ...

"  The distributor in the UK buys the same Escape we sell in the US. 5.7's 115 cfm, 144"

 

Mytee’s website shows the ETM's motors at 100CFM each:

http://www.mytee.com/products/c304-vacuum-motor/

2 x pairs of those would do around 200 CFM, not 325!! Didn’t that Omega gauge in the Mytee video show Ashby’s machine doing 190CFM when the true CFM's more like 100?

Plus, you’re saying there are 2 x 6.4amp motors AND a 2500psi pump on one power cord? That can't be right!! How much current does a 2500psi pump draw – 8amps minimum I would guess even running idle and probably more? That would make at least 21amps on one 13amp power cord!! Then you’ll need long extension cords to reach the socket in the house which increases current draw even more. Just doesn't add up!!

There are a few Omega flowmeter models on the omega site ...  is it the same one Ashbys used ? ...or one more suitable to vacuum conditions ? ...  dont know  

Like i said ...  i am skeptical of the 325cfm ...  But ...  Other quadvac machines i have seen measured seem to give more airflow than a parallel twinvac using the same motors .   The now defunct Velocity tech was around 300 as far as i remember ...
and this 'Goliath '  uses 4 weak a$s two stage 5.7s ...of about 90cfm at most ...so you would expect cfm to be 180 .. but it measures like this .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1MxoiF-rY

I got the word from Mytees CEO  ... if woodbridge are messing with the vacs then he doesn't know about  ...  perhaps contact woodbridge fibersafe and let us know what they say