[Shaun_Ashmore]

I think you have to look at what you want it for and what you want to achieve, someone like Simon it has no use it won't do the long hose runs.

Shaun

[ian harper]

Two benefits

One lower overheads over the more expensive petrol type so better ROI for YOU
Two, marketing customer will not know the difference

Just like you get a range of cars this would fit between a portable and TM

plus the "Kit car" self build anyone would be able to do it. all the parts you need are on the donor. all we need know is some bright spark to draw up some plans make some videos and we are away -)

why buy something already assembled most of the cost is in putting it together. gamers build their own custom PC's

[wynne jones]

Who buys kit cars. Someone who wants something that looks like a Ferrari but all they have is a ford escort.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

You need to have a word with nick, him and Gordon are making one...well if Gordon can get round to it

Dave Ingram made a few etms all run with a blower and off one cord.

Shaun

[ian harper]

TM carpet cleaning prices at portable price now there is a thought save a lot of confusing for the customer comparing like with like in their eyes.

I have thought about getting another normal TM and offering that as an upgrade.

People buy outcomes not process. the process of getting to a clean carpet really matters little. so as an example

the outcome of drive from a to b in your Escort is the same as the Ferrari but you pay a premium in the Farrari

If you are selling outcomes and process is left to the customer and how much they think that outcome is worth. after all once the carpets clean the process matters little.

I say the TM process is worth an extra what £50 a job. all that extra overhead 

its never be done before but I fancy a try, at the moment a customer has to choose between me and someone else if they what or believe a TM will do a better job, but lay it out give the customer the choice and see by the numbers which they choose between me and me. If I am right the TM will get dusty, if I am wrong well i be a little richer.

That's my goal for the coming 12 months and making it public makes it one that will motivate me

[Shaun_Ashmore]

But people don't know what tms are they only want the benefits that you the cleaner will sell to them.

Ian you would do really well with a lm system.

Shaun

[peter maybury]

I price work at my prices. Having a truckmount allows me to do the work a lot faster and more efficiently and so gives me a much higher hourly return. Whether the customer knows what a tm is who cares and who wants to spend longer on the job than is necessary?
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://

[ian harper]

Peter

Spot on. Where your working full days the only way to make more money is one put your prices up and two lower your overheads

[Russ Chadd]

I have only run my Enforcer from my van once... to be honest its easier to roll the thing off and place it nearer the house!
Shorter vac and solutions lengths plus if i am bucket filling it makes life easier!
Then there is ventilation to consider, even with the exhaust vented out of the van the motors are gonna get hot especially in this weather.
There have been some very valid points made in this thread, i for one have experimented with van mounting, using hot water pressure washers etc.. and for me it has gone full circle... i use a portable as a portable.

Unless someone can create an electric machine which works almost the same as a gas powered TM with the same performance... buy a regular TM
 

[ian harper]

Russ

 how about this one with four vacs, plus it can have other modules like heat added

http://www.mytee.com/products/escape-etm-electric-truckmount/#.UgPkAdWnapi

[jasonl]

Peter

Spot on. Where your working full days the only way to make more money is one put your prices up and two lower your overheads

Or  employ people

[Russ Chadd]

Ian I was at the TACCA day and had a good look at the escape, it's probably the most powerful electric machine out there... What puts me off though is the fact that it can't be removed easily, your gonna have to run two lengths of cable to the van and I you want heat then it's gonna have to be one of those propane heater...
I would just buy a TM

[john martin]

   Actually ....  they now supply bolt on cart to make it removable  ,  i believe this was
  requested by some customers who had large dedicated rug cleaning centers so they could move it around ... or if you had a big job like a casino , hotel ....  or a cruise ship      

But still its a ramp job im sure to remove ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cDfnZGy22I

Its not perfect and i believe the UK manufacturers could do better job and perhaps slightly lower the cost ...  but its commendable for Mytee to get this to market  .

Heat wise  ... the Americans would just whack a big propane heater on ... job done .
propane does not seem to be a hugely popular option here apart from the fact that the machines are not readily available .
I think woodbridge fit a small propane on an uploader so it circulates to the watertank when your not using wand and direct when u pull wand trigger .

You might have to creative to get heat ...
Options would include ...
Diesel burner .
heat storage tank with exchanger connected to van cooling system .
An immersion heater in your supply water tank thats plugged in when not using machine .
Inline heater circulating water to your supply tank when not using machine .
A combination of above with smaller inline near the wand  ...  or full size inline on a different circuit .
Motor exhaust heat exchanger combined with small inline heater .

[ian harper]

minds not made up yet which way as its really first and foremost for marketing. time is on my side at the moment so can look at all options. we have lots of feedback from customers as to what TM owners are saying in our area so have to do something about it. giving the upgrade option to customers will sort that out I think.

jason had 20 staff in my maid service would not do it again.

[Simon Gerrard]

I don't think offering ETM as an upgrade is viable as it suggests that what you have been offering to date isn't up to much, despite you having sold it to them as a top notch service. If you want to use TM as a marketing tool then launch it as such to all of your customers as a new, higher standard of cleaning at the same price. The thought that next time they have their carpet cleaned by you they will get a better result because of your investment (which is showing commitment to them) and so have them stay loyal to you.
A TM is a huge marketing tool and brings in lots of new business and helps you keep the customers you've already got . Market them as having this all singing, all dancing state-of-the -art technology and then show up with an electric machine mounted in a van that saps their electricity isn't going to represent progress to them.

Simon

[john martin]

I don't think offering TM as an upgrade is viable as it suggests that what you have been offering to date isn't up to much, despite you having sold it to them as a top notch service. If you want to use TM as a marketing tool then launch it as such to all of your customers as a new, higher standard of cleaning at the same price. The thought that next time they have their carpet cleaned by you they will get a better result because of your investment (which is showing commitment to them) and so have them stay loyal to you.
A TM is a huge marketing tool and brings in lots of new business and helps you keep the customers you've already got . Market them as having this all singing, all dancing state-of-the -art technology and then show up with an electric machine mounted in a van that saps their electricity isn't going to represent progress to them.

Simon

This guy is happy to market the Escape and a Prochem Everest  alongside each other  .

http://www.orlandocarpetcleaning.net/RHINO_ROTARY_VIDEOS.html

Doubt if the customer really cares  , even with a truckmount they will still see  the airmovers plugged in , the rx20 plugged in  ,  the rotary  ...etc
They wont notice another two little cables     

[ian harper]

Simon

ETM or Normal TM whichever one its a choice between me and me not me and you. Thats the point

plus whatever percentage the portable market is from a TM viewpoint its money left on the table for any TM owner not an issue if your working full days, but if your upgrading then the time spent on your customer database could and I say could be wasted because of the perfered business model (TM or Cheap end) that type of customer normally go for.

Buying a TM or ETM must have an effect on your customer base?

JUst think how much money a TM owner misses out on. sure they might work less for more, but surly any down time is lost money?

its the same at the other end where i work with rental. I found these people once you get them to use you the best repeaters.

In the end its outcomes that people buy and choice is good for them.

[Simon Gerrard]

Hi Ian,
Apologies, I put TM in my post instead of ETM which I have now changed and that might make my point clearer.
I wasn't telling you what to do, just making a point.
I don't see how you can 'upgrade' to an ETM when that's not really an upgrade that would offer significant benefits to your customer as it is only an electric machine fitted into a van. The experience of many people who have upgraded to a TM is better results, faster drying times, much more productivity and a very positive customer experience, many of whom say, 'wow,' it wasn't that clean last time. Having that level of quality and the perception the customer has of a better result is the glue that keeps them with you on a long term basis. That's not to say that you can't build a loyal following with other technologies, far from it.

Simon

[Radek Jablonski]

many of whom say, 'wow,' it wasn't that clean last time.

was told that many times even when I was using santoemma sabrina on my very begining 
simon I know you are proud of having that powerfull TM but come on, relax and stop thinking about your beast all day   
there is no point of having any TM if you are not a very busy operator (like you I supose) who can manage his jobs in 8hrs day shift, loosing money.

[Hilton]

Bigger and bigger more poweful TM's be they electric or petrol are pure vanity on the side of the carpet cleaner and are not necessary in 'most' cases.

I take on board (excuse the pun  ) if you are doing ships or large commercial on a 'regular' basis then the correct machinery for the job would be required, which is just obvious,,,,but as far as the domestic customer is concerned the old maxim 'its the hole they want,not the drill bit ' that applies.

Do I care if my plumber turns up to fix a leak with the latest shiny new RS tools or with a bit of kit from Wicks, of course not, we dont look and are not interest we just want the desired outcome.

Why MUST buying a TM or ETM have an effect on customer base and why is there a different market for TM ,Portable or LM all the markets the same,surely.