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giftedk

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what a nightmare !
« on: August 08, 2005, 09:54:15 pm »
well my first day with a wfp today and i must say it was a complete nightmare, i ran out of water and there were spots everywhere.  I used 95 litres of water to clean the top floor of an old peoples home, and had old women chasing me round all day complaining about the spotting.
Ive got another one to do next week, and that lot are a very moany lot so i need better results next week.

dai

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Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2005, 10:08:57 pm »
Gifted K. did any of them catch you mate? I'm reading your post and *hitting myself because I'm going to be where you are very shortly.
My mate who went WFP is now doing loads of his work with ladders because his customers have told him they didn't want that hose thing any more. You read the posting of the really experienced WFP guys and it all seems so easy. I don't expect it to be for one minute.
I am considering doing a couple of hours a day with the WFP and the rest traditional untill I get my technique right. Even if I do have to go up and blade the windows after the first WFP clean. Good luck mate and stick with it. You know it's the way to go. DAI

gaza

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Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2005, 10:31:28 pm »
SORRY TO HERE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE:but you should have listened to uncle GAZA, re a posting you put on here.

IF YOUR NOT SURE OF YOUR TECH get your ladders out and blade them, you will not have spots then. and keep your customer happy I know this defeats the purpose of wfp but its your tech thats letting you down at the mo,practice makes perfect,
IF youve got to do this that way for two cleans then do it ,its not a race,but may mean you keep your customer happy, if anybody complains tell them yeah wat ever but look at your new frames Ive fitted for you {joke} TRY and trade off {old looking frames for new} unless they  are painted but knowing old biddies complexes they are double glazed pvc.

If you dont want to use ladders use a pole and a  squeeze, a couple of downward strokes will do the same.

 GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

DASERVICES

Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2005, 11:14:51 pm »
Giftedk, mind me asking but what system are you using, also what liquid did you
use prior to WFP.

Ta.

giftedk

  • Posts: 314
Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2005, 11:23:31 pm »
Giftedk, mind me asking but what system are you using, also what liquid did you
use prior to WFP.

Ta.
im using an omnitrolley with pole fom ionics, and previously the windows where cleaned with fairy liquid.

pjulk

Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2005, 12:11:18 am »
The windows you did have they go air vents if so that is the problem.
If they have air vents turn the pressure right down and try not to get any water near them as they will run after you have gone.

I had a couple of problems when i first started.
Until you get the hang of it try this.

Go round and do the frames first and  make sure you give the top frame a really good wash and rinse really well.
Do this to all the windows and then go back and do the glass and rinse really well again.

Don't try to rush thinking it will be quicker as it won't be when you first use it.

or you could try and use an applicator on a normal extension pole and dip in a solution of gg3 mix and wash and blade them with the extension pole.
Then go round and WFP them.

I think your problems are you are not cleaning the top frame enough or you are not rinsing enough.

Now you have made the move over try not to go back to ladders i thought about it when i first started but held back and perserviered with the WFP and it was worth it.

Paul

gaza

  • Posts: 1642
Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 07:51:09 am »
PAUL OW THE DEVIL ARE WE, WERE YEAH BIN. sounds as though youve got it sussed w/f/p now?

 GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 09:18:50 am »
I have just began wfp and might have picked up a couple of resi homes knowing that the standard of scrutiny will be higher cos the poor old folks often have nowt to do other than look out the window ( i know its not that bad but you get the drift)
I go along with Paul and previously Dennis who sent me an idiots guide to wfp
I use gallons on top frames and dont even think about any other parts until they have been well scrubbed and, fingers crossed, it is producing much better results
the only thing that really bugs me now is when the water does not 'sheet' and you walk away with that nagging doubt :o

Ian_Giles

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Re: what a nightmare !
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 01:26:05 pm »
Oh dear, to begin with it really is such a steep learning curve, spend several days doing mates houses, family members houses at no charge!

But when you do start out for real then take your time!!

I don't know if you have a brush with 'flocked' bristles or 'single filament' bristles; now although some will disagree, I would personally say the the single filament brushes do not suffer as much of a contanimation problem as the flocked ones. Now I know those that use flocked bristles will not agree with that, so that is only my own opinion.

When you first start out, wash the upstairs frames thoroughly, but beware vented windows!!!!, take your time and stay clear of the vents.

Spend extra time washing and rinsing; move on to the next window and continue.

If a standard house, do all the tops, then do the lower windows in the same fashion.

By now gravity will have had time to work, and the upstairs windows will have began to dry out.
If you have a big enough bucket with you, dip the brushs head into a clean bucket of pure water and work the bristles with your fingers to clean out any possible contanimation of the brush head.

Then start over again on the upstairs windows.

But this time pay attention only to the glass, in particular the very top edge of the glass where in either meets the putty/rubber seals etc.

Try to stay away from the frames.

To rinse; just ease the pressure of the bristles on the glass and draw the brush down in quick light strokes, this helps to speed up the rinsing process. Move quickly across the glass.

Do not worry about the time it takes you or the amount of water you use to begin with.

Practice this technique at home, you WILL get better!

Explain to customers that you will be going over them a couple of times to begin with.

Sometimes yo uwill come across windows that simply will not come up as you would wish, again, sometimes dipping your brush into a weak solution of GG3 or Unger liquid and going over the windows with this will improve the situation, but sometimes not!!

If you have read the thread that windows-chepstow (Tosh) started with regards the Health & safety issues concerning ladders, and the replies from Philip Hanson, it would be reasonable to tell customers that you have no intention of climbing ladders again due to the new regs.
So therefore, though you may go over the lower windows in the traditional method, the upstairs will have to be done with WFP regardless.
If they won't accept that then move on, let someone else take the risk.

Stick with it though, I would say now that I can get even a first time clean virtually spotless first time out, but you have to be patient and realise you have to ride that learning curve!

Regards,

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES