[The Bear]

Ok, this is going to be difficult for me...............my 2 year plan

.................WFP's are to be embraced................

.........ladder's will be fazed out in 2 years or less.........there said it now.

We live in very soft water area, and, will go WFP (sorry about previous comments to all WFP users)

Who uses DI only to purify water, we want to start as soon as poss, but have neither space of money for large set-up.

DI, pole, hose, pump, trolly. Does it work for anyone on here?

This has been a difficult post for me anti-WFP member since the start, see the New Bear

[gaza]

Congrats welcome aboard me old hearty,your a little landlocked in Derbyshire, may have taken a little biit longer to sinkin,
Me ,myself,and I , living in Nottm carnt wait to ave a dig {can we} Bear you only live next county away,come and have a look at wfp,change one job to a sat morning if you want to have a look.

YOUVE GOT A WFP  SUPPLIER IN CHESTERFIELD

 Bear  even living in a soft water area resin is an expensive way of doing it,3 years ago Tucker sold me a dud system by not telling me about alternative methods,so left with an expensive way of running wfp system.NOW I  could tell them more than they know.

 The attitude of the suppliers is different now because more peeps are clued up now [hope its because of this forum}
I would never buy a system from a supplier again ,diy for me.

IT SEEMED: get it wrapped ,get it packed ,strap it to your back, run like f... ,get it into bank account . NOW PEEPS CAN ASK MORE INDEPTH QUESTIONS, The reps, could have sold me an e type  combine harvester or v 12 turboed 4 wheeled reliant robin with disc brakes.

 THE bear :have a serious look at ro its a lot cheaper way of doing it.

 ANOTHER LADDER USER BITES THE DUST

 GAZA

 just when Im returning back to the ladders for a while

 HOW about this for canvassing success asked 8 peeps if they needed a w/c 8 new customers, away from were I lost all that work to a cheapskate w/c.

 GAZA

[24-7 S C Services]

HI Bear,

Depending on your TDS reading, will depend on how much resin you go through in the DI bottle, this may work out expensive in the long run.
   
Have you thought about building your own trolley?

There is a trolley on Ebay at the moment made by omnipole, don’t know if it is any good though item number 4397703755

If you could budget 2k, Ionics do a brilliant trailer system, complete with RO unit and 1 or 2 poles (carnt remember), plus a days training at the BCWA, they can also arrange hp on their equipment.

Hope this helps, if you intend to build your own, let me know and I will advise you as best as I can

Andrew

[P @ F]

Glad i found this thread , i too am goin wfp and live in soft water area , i have been told i dont need RO just the resin system will do it he said.
I recall salesman sayin TDS in Plymouth is 70-90 PPM .
Now im thinkin is this true or does he want the resin sales ?
Dont know which way to go now, can i trust the salesman ?
Backpacks are not my thing , i want in van system , what are my options ?

   Rich    P @ F 

[The Bear]

Thanks for the encouragement, it may take me a while to get it all together, 2k for trailer looks good but 1.9k out of my range just now.

I prob will build my own for now, likely that i'll just do up's for a while with WFP, down trad.

RO unit would be good, but space is at a premium, plus i'm not sure i want it working overnight!

I have made a purchase though.........TDS meter.

Small step, but it is forward, the biggest stumbling block is in your own head.

The lad I work with can't get over my sudden change, but I guess thats what i'm like.
Once I embrace something I dont let go.

[gaza]

BEAR GUESS 180ISH READING FROM TAP? STILL QUITE HIGH FOR RESIN .

PLYMOUTH 80 S TDS OK BUT WOULD STILL GO RO IF NOT ON WATER METER

 GAZA

[Philip Hanson]

Hey Bear,

Its good to see window cleaners embracing new techniques, and you're absolutely right about the biggest barriers being in our head.

I remember my first day WFPing, ah happy days.  As Gaza rightly says, it is easy to buy the wrong stuff.  Had I known then what I know now!

As a starter system, (and as you live in a soft water area this would be ideal for you), I'd go for a HitchTank.

This is a 100 litre tank that fits onto the tow hitch of a car or van.  (If you don't have a towbar, they only cost about £100 to fit)

You plug the poles directly into it, and work from it like that.  It has a DI filter attached so you can re-fill it anywhere.  If I were starting out again, this is what I'd get.  I wouldn't bother with a van to begin with or even an RO unit.



I think it costs about £600, but you'd also need hoses and poles (about another £200)

I believe you can get finance on it though.
For me, I think this is terrific little starter system.

If you could budget 2k, Ionics do a brilliant trailer system, complete with RO unit and 1 or 2 poles (carnt remember), plus a days training at the BCWA, they can also arrange hp on their equipment.

I think that £2k price includes the RO unit and static tank, which you won't need as its a soft water area.  So you could knock about £750 straight away.

-Philip

[Rob_Mac]

Bear

I live by Alton Towers and have set my own system up.

You can come and have a chat or a look at the set up. Let me know

Rob

[The Bear]

Rob,

What TDS reading do you get there?

Bear

[thewindowcleaner1]

Bear
 like you once I decided to go WFP (about 3.5 years ago now) I wouldn't let go I went down the path of arranging finance ( lease buy system) my system cost about 2K to start with but this worked out at around £80 per month (including insurance's)= £20 per week = £4 per day (5 days) less than the price of half a house, plus I was working faster and earning even more a win win situation I've never looked back.

After three years (one and a half just ticking over quite happly) I've just bought a second van and equiped it and have plans for a third before Xmas.( abition gained from logging onto this forum)

My only comment about starting with something small would be that once you get used to the system you will very quickly grow out of it and have to buy additional bits to cope with your increased work load.

Like the others say building your own system would save £££'s and I'm sure every one hear would help you with every stage.

Alan

[matt]

Philip i guess thats a ionic system ?? ?? ??

[matt]

personally i would allways go with a small RO over a DI anyday

even at 80 TDS its still more then the 10- 20 a RO putts out, thus saving you money right from day 1

[The Bear]

Thanks for all the offers of help, I have a mate who has just bought a system in Buxton, so we plan a day with him soon.

It's a bit daunting, as I only know of one WC in Bakewell who has a pole system, so we will be breaking ground somewhat. (He uses a system plugged into the tap)

Our work is mostly villages so the system needs to be portable, i'm not convinced that working from a van is suitable for this.

One of the contracts we have, is in town, three storey, above shops. Trailing hose from a van seems a health hazzard for the copious amounts of tourists we get here.

I like the idea of a trolly, or even a trailer, but again, like Matt, I don't like the idea of hose over flowerbeds.

 

[The Bear]

Maybe a small RO unit in the shed.

I guess they need power and water and fill up overnight.

Do they automaticly stop when full or do you have a drain off.

Or do you RO during the day after you have filled the van?

[Mick (UHPS)]

Maybe a small RO unit in the shed.

I guess they need power and water and fill up overnight.

Do they automaticly stop when full or do you have a drain off.

Or do you RO during the day after you have filled the van?

You have email M8. 

[dai]

I am just putting my system together, My aluminium sack truck arrived from Machine Mart today. I live in a low TDS area 57 out of my tap but only 42 in the area that I do most of my work. I am going DI only to start with. My mate is DI only and gets a month out of his 8 ltr DI cylinder. I bought an aluminium box 12" square from a salvage yard along with some other alloy bits for a tenner. The box houses a Surflow 60PSI pump,
An 85 amp hour leisure battery and a variflow control unit. That lot cost £230. I bought 2 x11ltr DI vessels on e-bay for £50 the pair +£14 carriage.
A 33ft unger pole with a zink cranked joint for  £105, A 10" Vykan brush from for£29, A flojet inline filter for £18 and a bag of resin £84, all from wintecs. The sack truck £50, say £50 max for hose and other bits. the total spend is about £630. I already have a small enclosed hose reel that I plan to mount on the truck. I am trying it with 30 metres of 8mm W-flex hose. [allready costed above] The auminium box is detatchable, so would operate a van system if needed in the future. If you start with the sacktruck and by the bits over a couple of months It doesn't hurt so much financially. Finally a big thanks to Matt for the inspiration. Dai

[The Bear]

Thanks Mick

[matt]

Maybe a small RO unit in the shed.

yes, a 60 gall ro unit is ideal to start off with

I guess they need power and water and fill up overnight.

Nope, just a water supply, i.e a hosepipe in

Do they automaticly stop when full or do you have a drain off.

easy enough to do, i use a rain water butt and you can add a Overflow kit from B&Q (about 10 quid) this is the same as you will have in your cold water storage tank in your loft, it will shut the flow off when it reachs a level, personally i dont have that, i just draw off a few 25 L barrels a day

Or do you RO during the day after you have filled the van?

Ive replied in RED, check out the DIY site

http://d.co.uk

build your own for 550 quid, this includes a RO unit, it may be cheap, but its not nasty, it uses the same pump, same brush and the same pure water, jobs a good un

check out the forum for other idea's

[matt]

Finally a big thanks to Matt for the inspiration. Dai

thats Meeeeeee 

fame at last, i knew it wouldnt be long, can you nominate me for a award from the queen....... Matt CBE......has a ring to it dont you think 

[matt]

oh and dai

you know where to post pics

will be nice to see