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Poll

should they be banned

yes completely
15.5%
15 (15.5%)
yes over a certain height
28.9%
28 (28.9%)
no
55.7%
54 (55.7%)

Total Members Voted: 83

The Jester of Wibbly

  • Posts: 2125
Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #120 on: April 05, 2010, 05:23:47 pm »
the roads are dangerous, so should cars be banned?   ;D ;D ;D
Only when teleportation becomes a reasonably practicable alternative. :)

unless it drops u in the middle of the road  ;D
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Nathanael Jones

  • Posts: 5596
Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #121 on: April 05, 2010, 05:24:35 pm »
LOL,.. touche!

formb

Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #122 on: April 05, 2010, 05:50:43 pm »
Banning ladders would actually make our job more dangerous.


Explain?

OK heres one:

I do a school in my area, it has a row of windows accessible from a flat roof. There is no way to reach the windows from the ground via a telescopic pole.

The school is fitted with fixing points for a ladder and a harness wire on the roof.

The flat roof has 2 stages so it would be impossible to access via a cherry picker or platform.

The only alternative I can imagine would be to dangle from a rope tethered to a helicopter.

Not practicable.

The safest method according to the risk assessments is using a chuffing ladder.

Otherwise we are either:

1. Dangling from a helicopter

or

2. Using some other as yet un-devised, un-tested method.

There is no reason for us not to use ladders. So long as we're not going to be silly billies about it.

formb

Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #123 on: April 05, 2010, 05:57:08 pm »
 :D

Here an interesting point.

In Scotland it is law that all windows above a certain height on new buildings be cleanable from the inside.

How long before that's law down south I wander........

formb

Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #124 on: April 05, 2010, 06:13:12 pm »
 :D

The law does not include schools and hotels tho for obvious reasons.

Nathanael Jones

  • Posts: 5596
Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #125 on: April 05, 2010, 06:35:08 pm »
Obviously in that situation ladders are reasonably practicable & I have no problem with their correct usage. 99% of window cleaning isn't like that though.
Its easy to justify 1 specific use,.. but all day every day is completely different.

Banning ladders would actually make our job more dangerous.


Explain?

OK heres one:

I do a school in my area, it has a row of windows accessible from a flat roof. There is no way to reach the windows from the ground via a telescopic pole.

The school is fitted with fixing points for a ladder and a harness wire on the roof.

The flat roof has 2 stages so it would be impossible to access via a cherry picker or platform.

The only alternative I can imagine would be to dangle from a rope tethered to a helicopter.

Not practicable.

The safest method according to the risk assessments is using a chuffing ladder.

Otherwise we are either:

1. Dangling from a helicopter

or

2. Using some other as yet un-devised, un-tested method.

There is no reason for us not to use ladders. So long as we're not going to be silly billies about it.

formb

Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #126 on: April 05, 2010, 08:19:34 pm »
Obviously in that situation ladders are reasonably practicable & I have no problem with their correct usage. 99% of window cleaning isn't like that though.
Its easy to justify 1 specific use,.. but all day every day is completely different.

Banning ladders would actually make our job more dangerous.


Explain?

OK heres one:

I do a school in my area, it has a row of windows accessible from a flat roof. There is no way to reach the windows from the ground via a telescopic pole.

The school is fitted with fixing points for a ladder and a harness wire on the roof.

The flat roof has 2 stages so it would be impossible to access via a cherry picker or platform.

The only alternative I can imagine would be to dangle from a rope tethered to a helicopter.

Not practicable.

The safest method according to the risk assessments is using a chuffing ladder.

Otherwise we are either:

1. Dangling from a helicopter

or

2. Using some other as yet un-devised, un-tested method.

There is no reason for us not to use ladders. So long as we're not going to be silly billies about it.

So did you vote FOR a ban?

If so are you suggesting this ban is somehow selective?

dazmond

  • Posts: 23862
Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #127 on: April 05, 2010, 08:37:31 pm »
I VOTE THAT ANY POSTS ABOUT LADDERS AND BAN IN THE TITLE SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


OR ANY THREADS ABOUT LADDERS! :D :D :D :D
price higher/work harder!

martinsadie

Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #128 on: April 05, 2010, 08:41:00 pm »
I VOTE THAT ANY POSTS ABOUT LADDERS AND BAN IN THE TITLE SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


OR ANY THREADS ABOUT LADDERS! :D :D :D :D
why are you shouting Daz

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9022
Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #129 on: April 05, 2010, 09:01:54 pm »
yawnnnnnnnnnnn iam bored. :P

Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #130 on: April 06, 2010, 04:46:05 am »
:D

Here an interesting point.

In Scotland it is law that all windows above a certain height on new buildings be cleanable from the inside.

How long before that's law down south I wander........
Wouldn't really be a problem for a very long time that would it, as buildings are designed to last for a while

poleman

  • Posts: 2854
Re: should ladders be banned
« Reply #131 on: April 06, 2010, 01:38:55 pm »
I voted for a total ban!