[starplus]

The envirodri demo guy told me that with the sponges you dont need to agitate, only vac and apply sponges!

[Joe H]

The BS36 is an upright vacuum cleaner. It has 2 motors, one to do the vac and one to rotate the brushes on the floor. These brushes do agitate in as much they lift the dirt off the carpet so the suction sucks them up easier.
The BS36 is NOT an agitation machine as you are talking about - its an upright vacuum cleaner that does  a good job. It is NOT to be used on anything wet, at least you will have a soggy bag and blocked suction hoses, at worst you will blow the motors or worse (electricity and water dont mix together well at all).

You must have had a different demonstrator guy then I did. Dont understand his reasoning unless technology in the sponges is now different.
The sponges are damp, they have a dirt releasing fluid.
Just sprinkling them onto a carpet is doing very little, only working on the surface.
Agitate them will get them into the carpet and allows the releasing fluid to work around the fibres.
Giving them time to work means the releasing fluid can do its job in releasing the dirt from the fibres which goes into the sponge. The sponge will change colour from straw to shades of grey depending how much dirt in the carpet being released. Only when the sponges are dry do they get vacuumed up. If they still damp they are not going to come out of the carpet easy and they will block up the vac tubes.

Same principle with prespray carpets - spray, agitate, dwell time to let the prespray do its job of breaking down sticky dirt.

Maybe on the demo you had, he didnt have the time to wait 30 minutes or so for the sponges to dry.

Thats how I see it anyhow.

[starplus]

Hi Joe Hatton,

He told me that we is woking for them only since january 2010.

this is a good offer on the flexi5:


http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=2757


will be nearly the same price as the Gen4 and sebo b36.

Is anuone else using Flexi5?

Many Thanks to all of you guys.

[John Kelly]

I think that price is wrong. That is the old price before they were increased due to currency fluctuations.

[starplus]

thats the right price I just confirmed with them.

[Joe H]

If John is right, and he is not often wrong, then if this other firm is DEFINATELY selling at that price then it is a bargain.
If however, their price is incorrect then try
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/Flexi5
and ask to speak to John Kelly.

[derek west]

not sure if this is an older version or not, as i don't know anything about envirodri but thought i'd throw it on here.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/The-Envirodri-Dry-Carpet-Cleaning-Agitation-System_W0QQitemZ150428490549QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item23063c9b35

[starplus]

If John is right, and he is not often wrong, then if this other firm is DEFINATELY selling at that price then it is a bargain.
If however, their price is incorrect then try
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/Flexi5
and ask to speak to John Kelly.

I call them and ask them and they said thats the real price.

Many Thanks

[richy27]

derek ishe pevious model to the new gen 4  dif being 30 cm bushes instead of 40

[Michael Smallwood]

I recently got a secondhand Host machine with the vacuum unit. I tried it out on a white wool rug we have at home. The rug was getting a little grubby and I was not looking forward to wet cleaning it.

The result was far better than I had expected and this type of VLM system as just gone up IMO.

Cheers

Mike

[starplus]

Thanks to all of you.

[starplus]

Hi Joe Hatton,

He told me that we is woking for them only since january 2010.

this is a good offer on the flexi5:


http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=2757


will be nearly the same price as the Gen4 and sebo b36.

Is anuone else using Flexi5?


Thay changes now the price.

http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=2757

I thing that I will get the sebo bs36 and Gen4.



Many Thanks to all of you guys.

[adimarsh]

Sorry to drag an old thread back to life but thought this may be of interest to anyone thinking of going down the "dry" route.

Had a call last Webnesday to go and price a large lounge. Arrived and was shown a number of grey spots and the footfall area in front of the suite's. Lady of the house then told me the carpet had been cleaned the day before Turned out she had the carpet dry cleaned by a company using the Host System. In her words "I thought keeping the carpet dry would be much better and he (the tech) told me the carpet would shrink if I had it wet cleaned". I sample vacced a sq mtr to see what was left in the carpet and the stuff that came out had to be seen to be believed.

Cut a long story short, did the job yesterday and half way through the lady came in to see how I was getting on. The clear line of before and after was plain to see. I, as was the lady, was stunned to see how much muck was left in the carpet after the Host system had done it's best.

Maybe the Host system is faster and less expensive but think I'll be sticking with HWE.

[Joe H]

The dry process can give very good results.

The efficiency of the operator does mean a lot - like it does with HWE.

[adimarsh]

Wouldn't disagree with you Joe re:operator efficiency. The room was 280 sq ft; apparently the guy was there for one hour, beginning to end and charged £48 (Money returned). Does that sort of duration sound right to you? I spent over half an hour just dry vaccing the carpet before going near it with pre-spray.

[John Kelly]

I would have thought that was a 3 hour job with a dry system. This is how it gets a bad name. Its never going to remove the dirt like HWE but neither does bonnetting and they all have their place.

[Joe H]

Adi
I cant say I have done a lot of dry cleaning but that area would take me longer then HWE. A fair amount of work to get it right, but again I wouldnt be thinking of charging anywhere near a low £48.
And by the very nature of using granules, a lot of time would be agitation with Envirodri or similar, and at the end at lot of dry vacuuming.

[Michael Smallwood]

My recent experience.

I used my recently aquired Host machine on some common area carpets in a warden managed group of flats for the elderly. I also do the weekly cleaning there and know the condition of the carpets.

Also I have HWE cleaned the same carpets in the past to a good result. The main soiling was from general footfall, so very little stain tratment was needed.

The process I followed, (after discussions with a supplier), was vacuuming, prespraying prochem multipro, and Envirodri sponges. These were thoroughly agitated, left in the carpet for at least 15 minutes, then removed using the Host Freestyle vac unit. By volume it seemed that more came out than went in, though there was a fair bit of fluff and loose wool. (don't worry - the brushes were not too hard for the carpet). Further vacuuming was still needed afterwards.

The "dry" cleaning method was no quicker than HWE in terms of time working - where it was an advantage, was not having to refill and empty, (yes itas a porty - not a TM but then again the risk of residents falling over hoses was avoided). Visually the result was as good and the customer is very happy with the result.

Finally there were still some granules in the odd corner the following week :

[cleaningmaster]

Mike,

I have never used a "dry" method, but reading your last post 2 words shout warnings to me, WOOL and MULTIPRO.

Multipro is quite high PH so i would have thought that it has to be neutralised, dont know if the sponges do this.

Regards

Daryl

[Michael Smallwood]

Fair comment Daryl,

I used the term wool in its wider sense - the pile on the carpets is not natural, also Envirodri micro sponges are desinged to work with prespotters and take up any excess before it can become a sticky residue.

Cheers

Mike