[texas girl]

Hope all is OK with everyone and their loved ones.

Just heard about the barbaric evil attacks. Is everyone OK?

[www.mrgutters.co.uk]

yeah well bad thank goodness i am at leats 15miles from central london.

lets hope anyone who works up there out of us on the forum are ok

shawn

[Sir Squeaky]

Thanks for your thoughts Texas Girl.

It's just awful, I can't imagine what it must have been like to be in London today, even if not involved in it.

Tragic as it is, it seemed only time...

Graham, no need to apologise anyway, can't vouch for others but I'm in agreeance.
Harsh I know, but it's a fact.

Condolances to anyone who knows someone involved.

Roger.

[wishywashy]

well we all live(d) in fairly safe country .
try going to south africa - you would be lucky if your van was still there in the morning
hope all is well
 

[www.mrgutters.co.uk]

oooh i am from there . from cape town not too bad reallyt .. johanusburg now thats a whole different story.


shawn

[texas girl]

Graham,

You have nothing to apologize for to anyone.

Immigration is a huge problem over here also.

Especially in areas as Texas and California and other coastal areas.

We even had to take a vote to make English our state language. Many children who attend public school can't speak english because their family is from Mexico; many illegally.

My heart goes out to all in London and by "everyone", I was speaking in reference to everyone of us on this forum. I hope we did not lose anyone from the forum.

We lost almost 4000 people in 2001 in our country. They actually filmed people jumping out of windows 50 stories up and higher to a certain death. It was hard to believe.

Evil does exsist. This incident inLondon is an attack on all of us.

I know lately  traffic congestion has been a topic on the forum. It does add to the cost of doing business. The price of gas has never been higher over here.

I am passing the cost on to my clients. I don't have any choice. Most understand.

Prayers to all who have lost loved ones today.

I do know just how they feel.

Debbie

 

[matt]

cardiff central train station was shut today

why

some security agency spotted known terrorists parked in the car park of the station

its just reopened with a Helicopter circling overhead

Now this might cause offence to some of the PC types here

But what the hell

Known Terrorists spotted parked in car park, now here is a idea

Pull them in, and lock em up

Now i hear the cry, what about there rights, civil rights blah blah blah

33 dead today and it could rise, what about rights of them

this country is far too soft, pull em in, lock en up and make em wear orange suits

[Paul Coleman]

Thanks for your thoughts...

30 people are definitely not ok, and nor are a further 300 or so.
________________________________________

Now we know why immigration was an issue at the general election.

Welcome to Tel Aviv, London style.
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And I'm not apologising for writing that.

I don't think you should bring up the immigration issue re the London bomb blasts because

1)  Such discussions often get personal.
2) This is a window cleaning forum.

I do have views on this stuff that probably do not align with yours but that's as far as I'm prepared to go with the topic.  It would be pointless because I wouldn't change your mind and you wouldn't change mine.

Now, while I'm here, could I interest you in buying some bible magazines from me? 

I imagine this thread will probably get locked now.  I hope so anyway.  It's not the place for it and I plead guilty too 

[petski2]

Well said Graham.For some of us who dont spend much time on the computer this is the only forum we use.So I dont see it as a problem for us to air our views on such an important subject.

[windows_chepstow]

Since the demise of PIRA, OIRA, RIRA and any other IRA groupings, we've been lucky enough to have been pretty much terrorist free for a good few years.  At one time 'Christmas London Bombing Campaigns' were the norm.

Being ex-forces, as many other members are here, I remember the low-level counter-terrorism tactics that were used by the British Government, such as adverts saying, 'If you see unatended bags - report it'.

But now we've an 'X' factor; religous extremism - maybe even suicide bombers.  I don't think it's got much to do with imigration. Just nutters.  The USA is heading towards the 'religious nut' direction also. 

We've plenty of our own 'home grown' terrorists.  The thing is, sadly, law-abiding people from ethnic backgrounds will now suffer also.

Luckily, I've got slanty-eyes, so I won't be targeted as a 'Muslim Terrorist', but you just know many dark-skinned people will; even though they are as British as you and my dog.

There is no easy answer.

[gordons]

I don't feel that tighter immigration would anywhere near help enough think about when it was the IRA that were bombing Uk immigration would not have helped then. When you really think abpout it anybody could walk onto a bus or train and leave a bag with a bomb in it. Its just a sad fact in life that their are very bad numptys in this world that would do things like this ecspecially when it is innocent lifes they are taking. Not one of the people killed in 9/11 or yesterday did anything to the terrorists they were just innocent normal people. Terrorists will never be stopped completely which is very sad. it's unbeleivable that we live in such a bad world. I just hope they catch the numptys that bombed london and all terrorsits. Sorry about the bad language , i actually feel thats to good a word for a terrorist.

[Paul Coleman]

No, Shiner, that's not the way it need be.

I said what I said as a little reminder that seems tertinent right now.  Noone has to respond.  I don't ask anyone to respond.

Nothing has to get personal.  I think, if anything, this makes us closer because we understand now how far apart we are from certain groups, whether it's on religious grounds or economic grounds or whatever ground.

I agree that this is simply a straight forward w/c forum, and I do not want to subvert that.  At the same time, w/c have things to say about things other than window cleaning, and some things/emotions should be given rein.

Not wishing to change anyone's mind about anything.

I'm just registering the fact that your views are not necessarily my views.  I wouldn't want my silence to be misunderstood as agreement.

[Sir Squeaky]

I think we need to get used to this kind of thing.  Not just London either.  The big cities will be hit too.

Welcome to the future.

Well that's reassured us!

Tragic thing is, it's probably true.
It could get worse before it gets better.
But lets not let it stop us doing anything we want to do.

Roger.

[Sir Squeaky]

I suppose we should be thankful it wasn't two days earlier, as we almost certainly wouldn't have the olympics to be proud of through all this.

It certainly hasn't scared me like I thought it would, but whether I'd be saying that as a resident of London is another thing.

[The Bear]

5 years bombing by Hitler,

25 Years worth of Xmas presents from the IRA.

I dont think anyone can dampen the resolve of the people of this island.

[texas girl]

The character of the British was shown loud and clear yesterday and today.

It so sucks what happened yesterday; yet instead of being bullied and withdrawing the people got back to business.

The intelligence is making great progress to find and punish those who are responsible.

It is a different world today versus ten years ago. I feel we are all on the same side fighting against evil.

I hate what happened. So much loss. So many families changed forever. Why? Stupidity! Stupidity and evil. Wrapped up in terrorism and ignorance.

The British and the Americans among many others are doing the right thing. And we will NOT be bullied!  We will not quit doing what is right. No matter what!

Even those in our own countries that are protesting because they do not agree or understand must be ignored . That is all I will say about that. I will bite my lip.

It has to be done! Someone has to fight this fight to protect our children and their children! We are it!

What is the alternative? What?

Londoners showed that they have Large Brass Ones!(Balls)

May God Bless those innocent that perished and their loved ones who will hurt forever.

 

[The Bear]

The British and the Americans among many others are doing the right thing. And we will NOT be bullied!  We will not quit doing what is right. No matter what!

Even those in our own countries that are protesting because they do not agree or understand must be ignored . That is all I will say about that. I will bite my lip.

It has to be done! Someone has to fight this fight to protect our children and their children! We are it!
 

Killing people is never right, dont forget all nations have done their fair share of that in the past 100 years.

We have no right to take the high moral ground.

There are people all over the world who get caught up in this kind of evil.

[Sir Squeaky]

Nice to see and hear support from all over the world against these b'stds.

Have a look at this:

http://werenotafraid.com/

The site only started on the day, and it's already had hundreds of submissions.
Most of it is done with a great sense of humour and a large proportion of it is from mainland europe, yet it's all about London.

Roger.

[The Bear]

I couldn't disagree more.  Sometimes you have to kill in order to save your own skin.  And someone has to take the moral high ground.

If you did not kill the enemy, then he would have you killed.

There has to be a moral right to do that killing, otherwise it would, indeed, be wrong.

You are correct Graham, there is no moral right to kill, so it is wrong.

[windows_chepstow]

I don't think many would argue that it would be wrong to kill the terrorists that try to kill us.

However, the problem is finding the 'right' people to kill.  Then when they've been killed, you've got to kill the next lot of terrorists that step forward to take up arms.

It won't end.  The problem has to be dealt with at a deeper lever.

An ill-educated religous nutter; that lives in abject poverty; is more likely to become a suicide bomber than someone whose been given a proper education and has choices they can make to improve their own individual lot.

Rich countries do not trade fairly and poorer countries are kept poor by the affluent West.  A third of the worlds population survive on less than £1.60 a day (that's 2 US dollars).  There will always be rich and there will always be poor.

Therefore we will always have terrorism.  That's what it boils down to.