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james roffey

Upholstery pricing
« on: February 20, 2010, 03:30:36 pm »
Since starting last year i have never felt as comfortable selling upholstery cleaning as i do carpet cleaning i think it is because i do not see it as good value myself, so this doubt is passed on to my customers not that i am asked to do a lot of upholstery i have only done one three piece suite that i have charged the £30 per bum which was the standard charge i found is being charged on the forums i have done a few smaller jobs on upholstery but its tough justifying £150- 200 to clean a sofa and two chairs.
I have seen threads where it has been claimed that some are charging a lot more than this but unless they are suites that cost several thousand pounds then i dont see how they do it.
the vast majority including the quite well off have suites that cost between £700- 2000 so why would these people pay £150-400 to clean them, carpets yes i can understand,
 they are one of the biggest investments home owners make but the vast majority of stores sell suites for under £1000.
I know upholstery cleaning is very time consuming but explaining this in a way the customer can grasp is hard to do, unlike carpet cleaning

gwrightson

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 04:00:37 pm »

"they are one of the biggest investments home owners make but the vast majority of stores sell suites for under £1000."

I Doubt that the vast majority have suites for under 1k  , and certainly not the better off, ok you may get the odd one from ikea or argos , but even the discount furniture stores scs, dfs harveys  etc etc dont have suites under 1K . dont take too much notice of all the sale adverts we get bombarded with, most of the adverts will be for 1 item  ie. a sofa  then add a couple of chairs or a pouffe ,footstool ,scatter cushions and then see what the price works out at.

try asking your custy what sort of price they paid ,in a diplomatic way of course ;) , most will tell you more than they actually paid, they dont like to admit they bought cheap in a sale, then you will have some ammunition to make the justification in your price.

Myself i now charge a minimum of £120   depending on soiling etc, or if they are having any more work done .

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 11:57:49 am »
James
First off, forget the suite prices you see on TV from the big multiples. Look carefully at what they're offering and you will see that they are grotesque pieces, often very large, that few people will actually buy. It looks good on TV though and entices punters to walk through their door. They are then hit with the upholstery that they would actually want to buy which have less attractive prices. Most of the suites that I clean are, on current new valuation, more likely to be £1500-£2000 and more.

As others have stated, after the house and the car, the typical most expensive capital items in a home tend to be floor coverings (collectively) and the three piece suit. The dining suite can also be included, but it's a low cost maintenance item. People don't buy quality to want to look after them cheap.

Try to think of yourself as offering a service of value to your prospect, not on low cost price. If price was always the deciding factor, we'd all be driving small, imported Asian cars, have something like a Goblin vacuum cleaner and be sitting at plastic "patio" style dinner tables. 

The biggest barrier to fair and reasonable charges is often in the mind of the seller, not the buyer.

With your sales delivery during audit, ask them the right questions, do a thorough inspection, tell them about their suite eg fibre content, condition of fabric, foam, seams etc. etc. Give them realistic expectations, so that they can feel reassured that they have a knowledgeable and reliable tradesman in their home. The price comes at the end.

Something that works for many of us is to also break down the quotation, so chairs cost £x, small sofa costs £y and large sofa costs £z. Pouffees cost £s, scatter cushions £t and arm sleeves £r. Prospects can then see what they are paying for.  If your charges are high enough, and if you are feeling generous, you could always offer to clean the arm sleeves and/or scatters for free as an incentive to have the whole suite cleaned.

Finally, and especially relevant to many newbies, When you were an employed person, lets say you were earning £12 per hour. Now, as a self employed buinessman, you may be earning, for example, £40 per hour. But you do not make a PROFIT of £40 per hour. Some of the things you need to deduct from that figure include the time and cost in travelling, chemical costs, advertising, general transport and adminsitration costs, insurance etc. etc. Lets say that you have now halved this figure per hour to £20. As capital purchases are made from profit (they are not a business overhead) you also need to set aside for your next machines and upgrades, van, computer etc. etc. You're not now earning as much as you thought.  My point in all this being that many newbies will relate their earnings as a business to what their salary was as an employee. It "does their brain in" 'cos they think that they have become a rip-off merchant. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's what you have to do to survive in this society.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

brianbarber

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 12:25:00 pm »
I agree with ken, you can get easily in the mind set of thinking a price is expensive, but sell with confidence and stick to your guns.
The customer won't be paying you if you hurt your back, are off with flu etc.
I made the mistake of menu pricing carpet cleaning, now I visit each customer and if they don't like the price I walk.
Simple

regards

Mr B
If in doubt.....Leave it out !!

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2010, 12:47:07 pm »
I usually price over the phone but am starting to go out and see jobs, upholstery is harder to sell over the phone but when you go and see it you can get higher prices plus protection. I still need training on onsite audits but slowly getting there but it is worth going out to see them as you can get £200 a suite with protector some get even more.

Shaun

james roffey

Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 01:10:59 pm »
Thanks for response especially from Ken that was amazing you always take the time to give a thorough reponse to those that need help and its very much apreciated, i feel a bit clearer in my head now :)
I have adopted from the off, the theory that i will charge a good rate taking my charges from one of the most successul carpet cleaners on here no names though, and i have pretty much stuck with this, i thought that i want the customers who want quality and that has paid of yes i lose a few but the way i reconcile this is thinking they are not the customers i want in the first place, so let someone else do it for peanuts they will always want it done for that price. its just with the carpets i have what i think is a confident sales pitch although i dont close all deals for carpets a wont ever expect too either, some just want it done cheap and see no difference in what you are providing to the guy working out of a hatchback, thats to be expected i see this as a long term thing get the best customers who will pay a fair rate but it is a gamble and frustrating too, as i know i could get more work.
I did one this week gave the price to the customer he wanted it cheaper, the two rooms he wanted were full of clutter that i was expected to move and carpets were covered in stains some of which were permanent the usual bleach stains etc, he then went on to say well i am worried that it wont look any different, i told him if you dont think it looks better you can have it for nothing :o said he would talk to his wife, heard nothing, but i am not losing sleep thinking about that great customer i lost.
I agree with Ken, if you think you are expensive you will pass this doubt to the customer i do close a lot of deals at a good rate but room for improvement on the uphostery sales pitch.
You are spot on about earnings i was on exactly £12 per hour before and now earning a lot more but i need to as the first thing i did was calculate my expenses, marketing being the biggest wow that was scary i was very shocked.  
At the moment 90% is being ploughed back into the company i take nothing out for myself as i am trying to build a bit of a cushion for harder times although it is very hard at the moment, i must be doing something right though my only two jobs next week, so far are two previous customers i only have around sixty customers in total im thinking if i had ten times that  ;D

JandS

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 11:32:28 am »
Think you'll find the standard charge is a lot less than £30 a seat, especially round here.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Michael Smallwood

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 01:31:58 pm »

If price was always the deciding factor, we'd all be driving small, imported Asian cars, have something like a Goblin vacuum cleaner and be sitting at plastic "patio" style dinner tables. 

Ken,

This just cracked me up.  ;D

Mind you I might just get my Ninja, hoses buckets and a couple of prespotters in the back of the Suzuki Swift - mind you the patio table would be a stretch even with the boot open.
Cheers
Mike
Mike Smallwood

www.mascleaning.com

Joe H

Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 02:21:46 pm »
John
Out of the last 3 suite jobs I have quoted for over the phone - I got one at £160, one at £150 and lost the £70 one. Thats fine with me.

dave123

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2010, 03:57:17 pm »
The standard charge around my area , Bromley , Kent is £20/seating unit . As Shaun has said you can also put on a protector, which would double the price .  ;D

Dave

clinton

Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2010, 04:03:01 pm »
I would too go with the 100 to120 pounds to clean a suite.

Dont forget some do the free carpet clean in the deal when they do clean there suite so they have to charge more..

JandS

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2010, 07:34:50 pm »
Joe

So you quoted one at £70??

Clinton

They aren't actually just quoting for the 3 piece then
they're quoting for the "free" carpet.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Joe H

Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2010, 08:19:29 pm »
No John

I was asked how much for a 3+2, after asking for a few details ie location, fabric, and condition I stated £140 (local), to which she proudly said she would be using *** as they quoted £70.  Not interested at that price.

I do offer free lounge clean (up to a certain sq footage) if fabric suite cleaned.
The price I quote for suite will be my top price.
Note I stipulate "fabric" suite - not applicable if it is leather.  Once you are there and set up, doing a lounge carpet does not take too long, and the overspray is not as important as you are doing the carpet next anyway.
They may be on limited budget anyway, so they feel they can only afford a suite clean. Cleaning a carpet gives them a massive feel good factor.

mark_roberts

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2010, 10:42:02 pm »
The biggest problem with upholstery pricing is the cheapo cleaners charging £50 to clean a suite and clean it well for that.

Some read this board Im sad to say.

They dont IMO know the real cost of doing business and what their worth and damage the industry. 

Most customers can see thru the cowboy types.

Mark

Karl Wildey

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 08:39:49 am »
start at poll and see what people charge per seat, 10, 15, 20, 25, or above. never done a poll on here so not sure how too

JandS

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 11:22:03 am »
Mark

Would I be the cowboy you refer to?
I charge £70 sometimes £80 if I think the customer will stand it.
I do a good job so how am I a cowboy?
By the way I must be doing something right, been going 23 months now and made a decent profit both years.
So maybe I do know the real cost of doing business.
Pray tell how it damages the industry by doing a good job at a reasonable, affordable price.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Hilton

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 01:26:57 pm »
We charge £35.00

Joe H

Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 04:48:31 pm »
per seat ? or per suite  :o

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 05:44:20 pm »
I don't get involved with price arguements I just like to learn from those who can teach me into getting the best price I deserve for my knowledge and investment, let's face it if someone is offering more service ie better cleaning or faster drying or specialised stuffs then surely they should charge for the 'premium' service?

Shaun

clinton

Re: Upholstery pricing
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 06:01:06 pm »
even some suites are more soiled than others,so what do we do then?

Do we offer them a cheaper price or dom it for he usual price ???