[mk1]

hi guys can some one please explain foggers to me or point me in the direction of a good online explaination on how they work??

chemicals........machines........training course the whole nine yards.

and does any one do this line of work?? is it worth the investment?? one two jobs a week or a month or a year??

cheers andy.

[Pristine Clean]

Yes mate I have used them a few times.

The point of them is to do a whole room, building completely and to get into all the nookis and crannys.

it totally gets everywhere and should get everything you are aiming for. Depending on the chemical being used.

The link below will give you a guide to as how a fogger works. There are all the same in as far as how they work. Only some are higher out put, some have better specs etc.

I hope this is of some help

http://www.gotfog.com/fog_machine_how.html

As for are they worth the investment. Well not for me. But you can get a reasonable forgger for around  £120.mark

Obvously if you arte doing a big building of say 50, 000 square feet then you need plenty of the more up market foggers.

Dave

[The Great One]

Hi As dave has said but it depends on what you are doing, i have a cold mini fogger, £200 including P&P from kill germ. very powerful and can do a 3 bed house in about 3-5 mins, would charge around £120.00. It has paid for itself but jobs are few and far between, thermal foggers can set you back £800-2000

Regards

Martin

[mk1]

thanks dave...martin very useful... so what chemicals do you use in the fogger?? ie flea killer or a perfume?? and does it leave a residue?? you then have to clean ??

complete novice at this fogging thing and would value your experience and knowledge.

cheers andy.

[BDCS]

I think if you needed one you'd know. I got my B&G fogger from e bay and have used it about 3 times, for thermo I have a cheap disco smoke machine which is limited but will do small rooms.- £30. An exodus machine is about £700.
 What is your intended use for the machine or are you hoping to introduce an add on, I have an ozone machine that I use to remove odours after eot cleans

[mk1]

I think if you needed one you'd know. I got my B&G fogger from e bay and have used it about 3 times, for thermo I have a cheap disco smoke machine which is limited but will do small rooms.- £30. An exodus machine is about £700.
 What is your intended use for the machine or are you hoping to introduce an add on, I have an ozone machine that I use to remove odours after eot cleans

intended use is what i need to know if you follow?? and yes thinking of an add on as we do a lot of EOT,S and maybe a service we could market to our customers.

also do have a customer that has a lot of elderly folks who do pass on (r.i.p) natural causes then they get the property back.  there is often a bit of a smell nothing terrible the smell is hard to discribe  wondered if a fogger may work well in these circumstances??

[Pristine Clean]

if you look on the web mate. At the various fogger etc. Ask them if they sell the chemicals or solution that go in the foggers.

You can get all sorts for many different things like

Odour control
Ciggerette smoke
Pest control

They are easy to use mate. Its basically turned on by a switch and then it shoots out smoke. Best wear a mask suitable for the application you are using.

They can fill a room / house in several minutes.

No you shouldnt need to use a fogger then do a major clean. The idea of them is to save time and labour.

If you are totally new to it buy one, get some chemical for odour etc and do a test in your own home. Or even a freinds Home. You can even use then in cars to get rid of cigerette smell etc.

I would invest in only a small one of about £200 mark max if you do not have the business telephone ringing. However like you say if you get alot of EOT cleans that have odours then they are ideal.

I hope this is of some help.

Also heres another link,

http://www.fog-it.co.uk/packages.htm

Oh and for pesticides you need to go on a course but could offer odour control. You could offer DIY pestiised products.

Dave

Dave

[mk1]

if you look on the web mate. At the various fogger etc. Ask them if they sell the chemicals or solution that go in the foggers.

You can get all sorts for many different things like

Odour control
Ciggerette smoke
Pest control

They are easy to use mate. Its basically turned on by a switch and then it shoots out smoke. Best wear a mask suitable for the application you are using.

They can fill a room / house in several minutes.

No you shouldnt need to use a fogger then do a major clean. The idea of them is to save time and labour.

If you are totally new to it buy one, get some chemical for odour etc and do a test in your own home. Or even a freinds Home. You can even use then in cars to get rid of cigerette smell etc.

I would invest in only a small one of about £200 mark max if you do not have the business telephone ringing. However like you say if you get alot of EOT cleans that have odours then they are ideal.

I hope this is of some help.

Also heres another link,

http://www.fog-it.co.uk/packages.htm

Oh and for pesticides you need to go on a course but could offer odour control. You could offer DIY pestiised products.

Dave

Dave

brilliant dave thank you just the info i was after.

a few more questions in your experience does it work or just mask the problem ?? and how long does it last ??

cheers andy

[John Kelly]

There are 2 types of foggers. Wet, which produce a very fine penetrating mist and actually wet surfaces with the product you are using. Then there are Thermal foggers which super heat the product, usually Glycol based, to produce a smoke which again will penetrate well.
You have to first of all realise that fogging is not a substitute for cleaning. If you only fogged a dirty room the smells and germs will return eventually. They need to be used as part of a cleaning and deodourising procedure. You will get away with fogging only if there are no visible contaminants and only an odour. But if there is dirt or smoke residues etc you need to remove them first.
The only way you can use a sanitising agent which will be effective is via a wet fogger. Only this method will deposit enough product on surfaces to have any hope of being succesful. Most anti bacterial/viral agents will be nullified if put through a thermal fogger due to the extreme heat created.
Thermal foggers come into their own for deodourisation. Building structures have tiny pores which are called odour pockets. The smoke from thermal foggers will coat these odour pockets with a fine layer microns thick locking in and masking whatever was causing the odour.
Wet foggers can also be used for deodourising using a suitable deodouriser. Just make sure the product used is suitable for fogging as some anti bacterials are highly dangerous if fogged.
Buy wise as there is a lot of crap out there.

[BDCS]

John you don't mention ozone do you not rate them ?

[John Kelly]

Ozone's good just thread was about foggers and so many people are using the wrong kit and products. We do certified odour removal and the products we use are 40 - 60 quid a bottle. You are not going to get a result with some of the crap bandied about on the net.

Ozone is a good deodouriser, again only as part of a cleaning process if there are contaminats present. Extremely good for smoke odours. By the way Ozone is best used before any cleaning is carried out for some strange reason. And it can bleach damp fabrics contrary to what some people said when I last mentioned it.

[Pristine Clean]

Hi Mk1,

I forgot to mention, John Kelly.

Go to his webaite and speak to him in person. You wont go wrong.

He is very good and will give you 1st class advice he is also a distributor.

Yes the foggers do work if used correctly in the manner JK has discribed.

Dave

[mk1]

well thank you all just been looking on johns www. ozones ?? learning alot today 

yes i understand about doing the clean up first.

i think i may be able to sell this service as an add on to the eot cleans if we can squeeze say another £20.00 on to each eot do between (1 and 6 eot a week) and leave them smelling minty fresh for longer its got to be a good selling point to landlords/agents dont you think??

then theres always the valeting side or even poeple trying to sell there property ..........i think the market could be endless .......but dont see many doing this as a full time thing more of an add on to existing customer base.

what do you guys think

[Pristine Clean]

Yes as an add on service it is a good idea. I am sure you will get some use from it especially if you do EOT's that are a bit rank.

I think though you may need to add a bit more than £20.00 to the bill if you are fogging. Dont forhget there is time in setting up, minimal I know. then the chemical it self...oh and to get back the cost of the machine itself.

Then a little profit...

But worth while. Take you time and purchase the right one for your requirements.

Dave

[tewnorth]

I use one from time to time, dont forget to notify your local fire control centre, as when you vent the property you dont want someone ringing the fire brigade, you may end up with a bill from them!!!

Mike

[The Great One]

Well, with a cold fogger there is certainly no need as it creates a fine mist which can barely be seen.

with a thermal fogger, I guess it depends, if you are working in a sealed house with no chance of the fog escaping then don't see an issue, although people can be pretty thick sometimes (not you) so they may confuse a fog with billowing smoke, don't know never even thought about it?

Regards

Martin

[John Kelly]

Martin I would think about it. Should have mentioned it. If you are carrying out a thermal fogging operation you must contact the local fire brigade head quarters telling them when you are about to start and again after the building has cleared.
They may still attend even if they have been informed but at least if you've told them you won't get one of the biggest bollockings of your life and I think now they can even charge you a call out. Used them a while a go to assist in a couple of flood jobs. £900 per hour for a tender and crew.

[johnny_h]

hi mk1 how did you get on with the fogger? im interested in the industrial package that fog-it are offering then go around the estate agents offering the service any of the other guys have any luck doing this?

[BDCS]

I've had a little response for ozone - i bought it for a nursery that always smelt of wet dogs when I cleaned the carpets. It sorted that !