[Mark Lawrence]

To quote Joe Hutton, the benefits of NCCA are that:

"you not only have to produce evidence of public liability insurance but also treatment risk"

Shame CLEAN don't keep such high standards.

'Dave' do you know how daft that sounds mate. It sounds like you are basing what you have just said, on no facts whatsoever : - or are you privvy to information that we are not?  No, didnt think so.

Im no idiot but Im sure CLEAN would require this as an absolute minimum requirement.

Mark

[Karen Waterworth]

Sorry but please can I ask a few questions about CLEAN 
A) Is it an association or a franchise
B) Will you be a member who quotes for that job and invoices the customer or a sub contractor who invoices a day rate to CLEAN.
C) Will CLEAN check with it members/sub contractors if the jobs they are quoting for belong to them and if so does the member/sub contractor do the work at a reduced rate. (e.g. possible problem if not an association, Mr B in Birmingham cleans twice a year some rooms at a hotel that belongs to a well know chain, and makes a good profit, along comes CLEAN that tenders for all the hotels in that chain and gets it, Lucky Mr B is a member of CLEAN, Mr B works just as hard!! But is it at a reduced rate??)

Do I have to wait until April and buy a ticket, to find this out.

[JandS]

 We will continue to strive and educate the customer that price is a clear indicator of the standard of work they can expect.

Far from it in my experience of employing other trades round the house i.e. decorators, plumbers etc

John

[Karen Waterworth]

have some posts gone missing??

[Joe H]

Yes, and rightly so in my opinion.

[Dave Blue]

This is what C.L.E.A.N require.

Comunications Director Ricky Montana

Real name Ricky Thompson

Website made by another Director ( Doug Holloway)

http://carpetcleanersuttoxeter.co.uk/

Note he say's he is a member of the NCCA. Actually he is not a member.

On the CCDO forum he say's he is a LTD company.
Again he is not LTD.


( taken from CCDO websie)
Re: Midlands
by Ricky Thompson on Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:05 am

ABILITY
cleaning & restoration Ltd Ricky Thompson
Est 1975

07932 706390 07932 706390
info@ability1975.co.uk

Areas covered regularly : the whole of Staffordshire ,Cheshire, Derbyshire

machinery : TM , 2 full porty set ups , rotarys , Leather restoration kit , pressure washing kit,

services offered but not limited to : Carpet cleaning , area rug work , upholstery (modern & antique) , Leather restoration ,tile and grout work, , property clearance , sanitising.
soon to be added for the spring of 2010 Timber flooring (parquet & mosaic etc)http://www.ability1975.co.ukRicky Thompson

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Location: Uttoxetter
Town/City:: Uttoxeter
Postcode: ST14 7NR
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Location: Stafford



 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Point being?

Shaun

[Jon Tabbener]

Not sure what you are trying to do with this information Dave- it's all on CCDO forum for everyone to see, nothing to hide as far as i can see - Ricky posts on here also

lots of poison being posted on here at moment re clean - if people don't like clean just don't join simplez really

People turn up cause trouble & then are not heard from again - we've had a few regarding clean - strange that

i've put my name down that i my be interested in clean - i haven't made my mind up yet  i just don't see the need to cause trouble - maybe i just like an easy life

[richy27]

Is it me or have some people got far too much time on their hands

[Joe H]

The point being Shaun is, and I am generalising here     what is true.

Its like people on the forums who try to hide who they are - its been discussed many times hasnt it, we would much rather know who we are dealing with.

In whatever walk of life, I would much rather deal with someone who is truthful. Why? Because if they not truthful in all things how am I going to know when I can trust them.

[Simon Gerrard]

Jon,
I don't think it's quite as simple as, 'People turn up cause trouble & then are not heard from again - we've had a few regarding clean - strange that' As it has turned out CLEAN has turned out to be quite a controversial subject, not least because of the way it has been cobbled together in smoke filled rooms by people who think they know better than the rest of us what the carpet cleaning industry needs in order to move forward to a brighter tomorrow. There has been no 'conversation with the carpet cleaning fraternity' just an association (that is in all but name a franchise operation) that will be served up to us in April on a take it or leave it basis. It will be deeply divisive and in my view a step in the wrong direction, not, because the people who have put it together are corrupt or idiots, but because they have not a grain of respect for the people they hope will populate their new Association. If they had, they would have consulted the industry first and built what WE wanted not what they want to foist on us having first shrouded the whole thing in a thick veil of secrecy. Why is something that is supposed to represent the is industry shrouded in secrecy? Ask yourself that. The only information that has come out of clean is what has been forced from them. It's almost as if they don't want you to know what your signing up to until you've signed up. So why can't they just come CLEAN about CLEAN? And why will they only come clean about it if you go to the CCDO (£35 per ticket)
Jon, I think you are confusing the word trouble with the word passion. There are people in this industry who care passionately about this business, people like me who have been in it for over thirty years and have reaped many benefits from it and have seen all of these schemes come and go many times in the past and this scheme will be no different because it's just a money making scheme shrouded in the guise of an association. At least that is how it looks because CLEAN won't tell us what it is about and that is why everyone should flat refuse to join it until they produce a full prospectus explaining exactly how it will work and answer in detail the many perfectly valid questions put forward by people like Karen Waterworth and others. And if they are not prepared to give us that level of detail and you're desperate to join an association then join the NCCA, at least you know what you're getting for your money.

Simon

[derek west]

pains me to say this but gotta agree with big G. ahem! sorry, i mean mr gerrard. secrecy casts doubts. when you don't know much about something or someone your bound to be sceptical.

paying to join an association is one thing, paying to find out what an association is, is absurd.

[Simon Gerrard]

Derek,

Well said, Sir.
You don't have to be Einstein to work out that if they are trying to charge you £35 to get a ticket to go to the CCDO just to find out what CLEAN is all about then it's a fair bet you'll encounter other TILLs at other convenient points along the road to emptypocketville.

Simon

[jasonl]

£35 Will hardly break the bank or make the organisers rich .
Personally I think it would be easier to stage a coup on the NCCA and use the existing database to change and grow.

I believe the CLEAN people are acting altruisticly and not for self gain , it is a thankless task for them.

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Simon

You have made your feelings about CLEAN quite clear on numerous occasions on this forum and your own.

I think most people are intelligent enough to take the trouble to pick the phone up to find out more information, indeed a great many people have. If they then decide it's not for them, then fine, at least they have made an informed decision.

The only person being "deeply divisive" here is you because CLEAN is of no benefit to you in the short term, therefore you have nothing to lose by constantly berating us and trying to gain support for your views.

Ask the guys that worked on the ship yesterday what they think of CLEAN.

You dont have to pay to attend CCDO to find out more about CLEAN, all you have to do is pick up the phone, instead of demanding answers to questions on here.

You were wrong about the big job and you apologised, which was good of you, but now 24 hours later here you are again trying to discredit us under the guise of "veil of secrecy" - it's not a secret, pick up the phone and ask your questions.  

Steve

[Art]

Simon,

 That's a reasonable answer from Steve, so as they say the balls in your court. Phone the man and ask the questions, then you can post the answers.
If your not willing to do that then it's hardly fair to continue trying to discredit them. Maybe that's not your intention but that's how i'm reading your posts.

Arthur

[Dave Whittaker]

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[Neil Williams]

This is what C.L.E.A.N require.
etc etc

First and only post under a alias and you go off on one.
Doesn't give you much credibility yourself does it?

[Joe H]

It doesnt bother me that CLEAN are not releasing all the detail until a launch date.  Car manufacturers for one are an industry that does just that - they launch a vehicle even though some details of it MAY have been in the public domain beforehand.  I have rarely attended a vehicle launch but all the full details were available to all and sundry shortly afterwards.
So it is with CLEAN - no one has to attend the CCDO - and dont forget most of the proceeds of the tickets (face value less the buffet I believe) is going to John Gregorys family.  If one chooses not to go then it will all be revealed within hours I am sure, so no panic.

As for consulting with every forum user (and more no doubt) whilst formulating an association - probably will have not got as far as it has today if they had.  Thats why you have committees and such like - to take information into account but formulate policies to put to work.  More then likely those who have formulated the plan for CLEAN so far have taken into account the feelings of carpet cleaners, tossed things around and formulated some policy.  It may not please everybody (cant please all the people all the time) but they are having a go.

Having said all that - I am not for CLEAN, neither am I against it. I am neutral at the moment but interested as to how it pans out.

As for Dave Blue (whoever) - he has said something there that Ricky needs to sort.

[fitz2kleen]

Is it me or have some people got far too much time on their hands

I agree...... while you lot arguing and fighting in the playground would you like us to go and service your customers??