[barry80]

Hi guys, Ive been in this business since 1985 window cleaning. This winter is a tuff one, Ive invented a Idea for cleaning in the freezing temps no matter how low the temps are, what you need is back pack keep it in a warm shed garage or in your home if your wife will let you ha ha. I keep mine in the outside boiler room, also with my buckets poles etc and lots of 25lt containers, also I keep my di ro vessel in there also. I let my wife make my water in the day time when I am at work via the outside tap. If you do this remember to disconect the di ro vessel at the end of the day, to keep it inside the warm over night.  I then conect the di ro up again to make more water ect  while I am  at work I keep my di ro near a outside tap in a small garden tidy I purchased at argos for £50.00 when my pure water is in the 25lt containers I empty a little of each into my backpack of each,  Then I top them up with car screen wash in the 25lt  containers  about a litre each  car screen wash each container. I then put a little in my backpack also. I then stir it well with a stick in each container, real well etc ....I then put my tds meter for a reading in my containers... it always comes back on a reading between 0 and 3 which is fine. Then when you clean with your pole the windows clean without any freezing at all. But they take a little longer to dry thats all. I cleaned all my house windows and they all dried in 2 hours with no spots at all. I even clean when it is snowing at work  and it still works. barry

[Nathanael Jones]

What type of screen wash are you using? Everything I've tested increases the TDS loads!

[Rob.Hall]

Same reply as Nathan on this.

Whats the name of the screen wash.

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

screen wash eh?

do tell

[stevef78]

Hi guys, Ive been in this business since 1985 window cleaning. This winter is a tuff one, Ive invented a Idea for cleaning in the freezing temps no matter how low the temps are, what you need is back pack keep it in a warm shed garage or in your home if your wife will let you ha ha. I keep mine in the outside boiler room, also with my buckets poles etc and lots of 25lt containers, also I keep my di ro vessel in there also. I let my wife make my water in the day time when I am at work via the outside tap. If you do this remember to disconect the di ro vessel at the end of the day, to keep it inside the warm over night.  I then conect the di ro up again to make more water ect  while I am  at work I keep my di ro near a outside tap in a small garden tidy I purchased at argos for £50.00 when my pure water is in the 25lt containers I empty a little of each into my backpack of each,  Then I top them up with car screen wash in the 25lt  containers  about a litre each  car screen wash each container. I then put a little in my backpack also. I then stir it well with a stick in each container, real well etc ....I then put my tds meter for a reading in my containers... it always comes back on a reading between 0 and 3 which is fine. Then when you clean with your pole the windows clean without any freezing at all. But they take a little longer to dry thats all. I cleaned all my house windows and they all dried in 2 hours with no spots at all. I even clean when it is snowing at work  and it still works. barry

hi i didnt think you would be able to put anythin in the water as this would make it unpure,does it dry streak free and does the water bubbles evaporate as they should,we use a 400 litre ionics 6 and that system has been freezin up on the smaller tubes etc????didnt think screenwash would work,think i may just wait til it gets warmer )

[Mike #1]

surely isopropanol works the same although it is a lot more expensive than screenwash it all depends how much is needed to be added

[Jeff Brimble]

I think Barry should be encouraged for finding a solution to his problem,  :)Good on you Barry, simple innovative thought.
It is a bit of a zoo on here sometimes, so many too eager anyone to shoot anyone down if they are not part of the "club"
This terrible winter has certainly got everyone thinking and talking how to carry on and most have given up ( I got an L5 lukewarm heater  but what can the rest of us do ? ) Barry has said he gets no spots so I got some Car Plan Screenwash  - ready mixed by Tetrosyl.com and actually mixed it to his instructions, Try it !
Even if the stuff you use has a high tds you could always blade the glass afterwards. I have been blading most of my ground work this last week anyway as I didnt want to give the custards a chance to sack me (assuming they are in as bad a mood as us) , it only takes you 3min-ish and may allow you to carry on and earn.

Barry well done, your the man. 

[barry80]

well first of all any car screen wash works, aslong as its concentrated and you mix it well with a stick Ive just been out and cleaned my house windows this morn whilst it was snowing. my tds came out at 3 again aslong as you mix well you need 1lt of car screenwash to 20lt of pure water  . just remember mix well. I just wash the windows and there is no {need to blade off} just leave to dry on there own it does not effect the pure water......hope this helps.... p.s carplan screen wash is what i use about £3  for 2.5lt hope this helps. barry

[barry80]

my windows are now dry with no spots what so ever...

[barry80]

sorry forgot to mention I dont get streaks either, just clean clear A1 finished glass with superb results. barry

[wizard]

Well down Barry. Its time some started to find solutions and not shooting down everything in flames. I agree with Jeff. Its takes not brains to shoot down and criticize everything. its takes brains to find a solution. Go Barry go!!!!

[wizard]

One small point If you get a TDS reading that says more that it should it does not miscarry mean these will be residual on the glass The resolute might be a in a solution and be able to slide off the glass or even not show on the glass. Screen water has some sort of alcohol base that stops it freezing and evaporates when its left on the glass. GO Barry ! Go Barry!! Go Barry !!!!

[Jeff Brimble]

Barry, while your here,
its a weak dilution rate any guesses as to what temp it will protect down to ?

[barry80]

I would say about 20 to 30 below, but you would need to put more screen wash in to protect from freezing on glass, say 2lt screen wash to 20lt of water, but remember mix well with a stick. screen wash works in cars in  cold countrys like switzerland and russia. So no problem anyhow I dont think in uk we would realy get as low as much as say 10......so hey guys ! Dont worry, do what I do at work with this system ... and carry on regardless... happy window cleaning  also remember wrap up well clothing etc.... ....barry

[jouk45]

i am a very open minded person, and welcome any good idea, screenwash is nothing new, and has been used by thousands of trad guys, and it is squeegeed of, hence no spotting, wfp is left to dry, remember that,  i am 100% certain it does leave a film on the glass, it may get us by the freezing conditions, but i would not like to re first clean all over again after the thaw out, this is just my experience, but i could be wrong

[barry80]

well I use it with wfp with no spotting at all......just trying to help you guys to get through this winter thats all...barry

[barry80]

   Re: useing wfp in any cold conditions that works.
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One small point If you get a TDS reading that says more that it should it does not miscarry mean these will be residual on the glass The resolute might be a in a solution and be able to slide off the glass or even not show on the glass. Screen water has some sort of alcohol base that stops it freezing and evaporates when its left on the glass. GO Barry ! Go Barry!! Go Barry !!!!                  ......Yes it evaporates just the same...barry

[jouk45]

barry, am not shooting your idea down, just approching it with caution, wfp cleaners have tried it, and posted that it did not work well in posts before years ago, unless the screenwash has vastly improved since then, apparanly when the sun shines directly on the glass, it shows up

[stevef78]

good stuff,what is the best way to get it inside the tank guys??any ideas as the tank we use there is no holes in the top ;((

[barry80]

barry, am not shooting your idea down, just approching it with caution, wfp cleaners have tried it, and posted that it did not work well in posts before years ago, unless the screenwash has vastly improved since then, apparanly when the sun shines directly on the glass, it shows up

true but dont you think its better to try and work than no work at all ? barry