Mike B;
I would respectfully have to disagree with your "implied" statement that the two mentioned machines were "all the rage"-------in other words, conveying the impression that they weren't up to par ------only seems to me to be competitive "Sales talk".
First of all, just because they are not discussed in every thread does not mean that these machines are not top notch. You know that and so do I and many others.
Second, and like wise, just because you and your friends do not talk about (particular automobiles as an example) the Bentley's, Rolls Royce, Mazeratti's, etc... does not make them any less than the common four wheeler that you and I may drive either.
I personally believe that if you give your opinion and help on these boards, it should be honest and sincere in the effort to help those asking and not to convey or give the impression or wrong information on any subject or product.
Only my blue collar opinion.
Thanks for reading, Mike.
Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.