[Clive McDonald]

Jobs started a company and was hugely succesfull and charismatic, but his life fell apart.His wife left him and the american media turned on him and showed pics of him drunk etc.The biz theory was that founders of companys couldn't run them very well when they matured.The upshot was that he got the sack.
But if this first part of his life was fairly eventfull you could never in your wildest dreams guess what he did next.

[Moderator David@stives]

I didnt even take my o levels, i played truant for the last 2 years of school.

[clean]

I never take any notice of what people think of me being a window cleaner as i am not a jealous person so it does`nt bother me if someone has more money or better things than me,i am what i am and proud of it  

[matt]

This thread is very dishonest. Just because you earn or have more money than somebody else that doesn't make you better than them.Is a premiership striker more valueable as a person than a heart surgeon?

quick, someone e.mail clive, i think his account has been hacked

[matt]

You've started me of now.When i was at school you asked the class what they wanted to be and it would be a footballer, or doctor, or pop star, okay not great aspirations but values have become so distorted now that the most common cherished ambition is to win the lottery.

The best thing you can have in life is a sense of purpose and some values.But if you can't have these i suppose a lot of money will do.

its 100 % now, his account has been hacked

[Moderator David@stives]

i have got a 4 bed and a porsche

no pension though

[Ian Lancaster]

Nice one Ian, how much a month did you pay into your pension fund?

Like Ronnie says, my pension is the royalties I get from my organisation.  I did pay into a pension fund, £100 a month for so many years I've forgotten when I started it.  When I retire (on 16th December, Matt ) it will pay me about £30 a week.

Pensions are a con, put your money under the mattress, or in Government Bonds, at least with them you get your money back!!

[Murdie window cleaning]

I couldn't care less if someone I don't know looks down on me for being a window cleaner. The people that matter in my life, my family and friends are realy supportive of what I'm doing(well at least to my face).
Once my rounds built and I'm earning a decent living, who cares what others think

[Moderator David@stives]

Ian

surely you will still have to be involved in some capacity to keep the franchise ticking over ?

[Clive McDonald]

I was going to say if you were as thick as a brick but still made a success that's something to be proud of, so by that yard stick Dave's done pretty well.

On the market where i sometimes work one of the guys went to private school.He's taken over his dad's flower stall.He mentioned the private education (again) one day, and another stallholder said" And look haven't you done well for yourself!"

Very witty Matt, i suppose i am a bit envious of Ian and Dave.You too strangely not just being good at ludo but for your compact round.I always thought jammy so and so just walked into that, but the other day when you explained a few things it came about because you helped someone out.It is very unlikely that i would have helped them in that way, so on the basis of what comes around goes around i think you deserve the good fortune that you've had.

I also remember your saying about your friends dad being a bit cutting and not placing any value on your being married and happy and having kids etc.We all judge each other, and mostly we are all wrong.

[weetot]

Nice one Ian, how much a month did you pay into your pension fund?

Like Ronnie says, my pension is the royalties I get from my organisation.  I did pay into a pension fund, £100 a month for so many years I've forgotten when I started it.  When I retire (on 16th December, Matt ) it will pay me about £30 a week.

Pensions are a con, put your money under the mattress, or in Government Bonds, at least with them you get your money back!!

Agreed, i'm in the same boat, paid for years,will get about £25.00 per week plus state pension, if there is a one in 20 years!

[matt]

I was going to say if you were as thick as a brick but still made a success that's something to be proud of, so by that yard stick Dave's done pretty well.

On the market where i sometimes work one of the guys went to private school.He's taken over his dad's flower stall.He mentioned the private education (again) one day, and another stallholder said" And look haven't you done well for yourself!"

Very witty Matt, i suppose i am a bit envious of Ian and Dave.You too strangely not just being good at ludo but for your compact round.I always thought jammy so and so just walked into that, but the other day when you explained a few things it came about because you helped someone out.It is very unlikely that i would have helped them in that way, so on the basis of what comes around goes around i think you deserve the good fortune that you've had.

long before earls list, i thought the idea of karma sounded not bad  seriously though, i have allways helped others out, i enjoy the satisfaction of it, it makes me feel good, does CIU have a equivalent to a Nobel award 

I also remember your saying about your friends dad being a bit cutting and not placing any value on your being married and happy and having kids etc.We all judge each other, and mostly we are all wrong.

in hindsight he didnt place emphasis on that as his son is the same age as me and doesnt have any of it, cough cough gay cough 

 

[Sean Dyer]

Ah, OK, never thought of that. Is it a big thing in UK?

beat me too it

what a pension when you own a home and a your hols are sorted

nice one ian

proof that focus hard work and positivity can succeed!!

You deserve it mate!

[Steve_c]

The stigma thing is certainly there for the first year or so. Former work collegues show absolutely no interest in what I'm doing, in fact it's a sure conversation killer. The family I'm sure scoffed behind my back. Funny how things change - sister in law was asking if I would take on her hubby a few weeks ago. Got chatting to another brother in law and suddenly realised I had earnt double his builders income this year so far  
People still ask me if I'm in the Print trade and think I'm part time. My accountant is impressed, I'm moving house shortly, have a good float in my business account so things can't be bad.
I have one customer who is semi-retired and lives in a massive house - he's in the cleaning business.
 Some people are so short sited and snobby - I think it's great  

Ian, that pension of yours is amazing  

I Don't think i could ever go back to the printing trade. I love what I'm doing

[craig mcneil]

There's definitely alot of folks in my area who don't necessarily look down on me but think I'm poor, working hard to make ends meet, on the dole, doing it for beer money, got no education, etc. However, that's simply because that's the sort of person they're used to dealing with.

For the record while I'm not loaded I do well enough, have a BA(Hons) degree, a shedload of useless financial qualifications, am a Microsoft Certified Professional and have a few other strings to my bow. I just happen to enjoy being my own boss and window cleaning fits the bill.

[Moderator David@stives]

eh Slump, i never said i was thick.

I can hold my own in any subject, apart from market trading.

oh and Shakespear, dont know much about his books

[mark dew]

It's more about our worth as a person. How we earn our money is really a side issue.
Steve jobs is that bloke from apple. The creative guy i think?

[craig mcneil]

Steve Jobs is the CEO of Apple. He was co founder, was kicked out in the late 80s, founded a company called NeXT, sold it, co-founded Pixar (who made Toy Story, etc), and then was called back to Apple in the late 90s and presided over the rise and rise of Apple to the size it is now. A creative genius.

[peter holley]

well...i'm uneducated I live in a modest 4 bed detatched...drive a car that I own ...and thats about it really

[leapstallbuildings]

eh Slump, i never said i was thick.

I can hold my own in any subject, apart from market trading.

oh and Shakespear, dont know much about his books

You forgot to mention accountancy     .
Sorry.  Don't want to start Tosh off.