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dazmond

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ideal WFP setup/van
« on: November 18, 2009, 10:43:47 am »
heres what im looking at getting next year.ive been 15 yrs TRAD with a domestic round of 350 custys and v.competent with all aspects of trad cleaning inclu pole work etc.no plans to employ and tds is 35 round here so DI ONLY .im also on a water meter in a first floor flat.

vauxuall combo/kangoo/berlingo type van

250lt tank,pump,hoses,DI etc

25ft slx pole/brodex hydra pole

backpack

spare pump/poles/hose/clips/tool box



does this sound ok?can top up tank at dinnertime at home or custys outside tap
price higher/work harder!

elite mike

Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 10:46:16 am »
i think you will be fine with that

dazmond

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 10:49:52 am »
also do u find that after a while u end up using the pole on nearly all custys windows as its quicker!so my ladders/squeegy etc will virtually become redundant.cant imagine not using my squeegy!the wfp tops/trad bottoms becomes a hassle so u end up wfpoling the lot?any help welcome guys!

dazmond
price higher/work harder!

stevieg

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 10:57:32 am »
Buy a bigger van and future proof yourself!!!
Get the hydra!!!
Fasten your reel to the ibc inside the van(.use buckle straps for this )
Dont bother with a backpack(100 mtr hose is enough)

dazmond

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 11:01:49 am »
ive been looking at the brodex 250 DI system but it seems v.expensive for just the tank,pump and DI canister.1200quid i think  without VAT! :o :o.then ive got the hose,reel,poles,spare pump etc to buy.what if i bought all the gear seperate on online then got a guy i know from a local garage to fit the tank in the van for me?would that work out cheaper.ive heard that its not too difficult to put a d.i.y system together with a bit of research on here!all help welcome chaps!

best wishes to u all

dazmond
price higher/work harder!

dazmond

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 11:16:20 am »
theres a few reasons why i dont want a bigger van.

1.i dont like em!too cumbersome!

2.i want to fill my tank up at other peoples outside taps who are not on meters as much as poss to save my water bill!20 mins/half hr to fill 250 tank DI only.

3.im sure 500 lts will do me for a full days work.{average 6-7 hrs actual work!}

4.dont like the idea of carrying more than 250lt of water about in a van!
price higher/work harder!

JRDEasiReach

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 03:22:36 pm »
ive been looking at the brodex 250 DI system but it seems v.expensive for just the tank,pump and DI canister.1200quid i think  without VAT! :o :o.then ive got the hose,reel,poles,spare pump etc to buy.what if i bought all the gear seperate on online then got a guy i know from a local garage to fit the tank in the van for me?would that work out cheaper.ive heard that its not too difficult to put a d.i.y system together with a bit of research on here!all help welcome chaps!

best wishes to u all

dazmond

daz give surecleansystems a search on google, they are from NI and send stuff over to england and all over, they give you instructions on how to fit the kit yourself, worth a shot m8 if you are looking to get a local guy to assist you with diy fitting.

JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 03:32:23 pm »
theres a few reasons why i dont want a bigger van.

1.i dont like em!too cumbersome!

2.i want to fill my tank up at other peoples outside taps who are not on meters as much as poss to save my water bill!20 mins/half hr to fill 250 tank DI only.

3.im sure 500 lts will do me for a full days work.{average 6-7 hrs actual work!}

4.dont like the idea of carrying more than 250lt of water about in a van!



First of all DI only can be extremely expensive, why get your water from your customers?
its YOUR business, thats why you charge your customers!
Water metre expenses are an overhead you have to pay for.
Scrounging water from your customers is very unprofessional, cheeky and will give the impression to some people that you are a cowboy.
If you cant afford to run a WFP set up, then you obviously havent enough customers to warrant it.

Matt
Reaching parts traditional window cleaners can not reach.

JRDEasiReach

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 03:38:53 pm »
oh and dazmond id get the RO too, better in the long run and DI only will be far more expensive in the long run no matter what your TDS reading is currently.
JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

JSMC

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 04:05:15 pm »
my custy's allow me to top up at theirs if i want to too. Only do it  if i really have to though.

Carl2009

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 04:20:40 pm »
I started in April this year with an RO/DI setup from Pure Freedom. Here's my findings.

I have a 500l system and have never run out of water yet - max houses cleaned in a day, around 16. My In TDS is 85, post RO is 1 and DI takes it to zero. I had a 20ft glass fibre GXel to start with and it was fine... to start with. I now have a SLX 27 + Superlight on angle adapter (no gooseneck), the old GXel (with Vikan hilo stiff sill brush - used as a spare and to apply TFR prior to doing gutter exteriors) and a 4ft gf pole with a soft Vikan hilo sill brush. To date i've not needed any other pole. I also have a full set of traditional gear, rarely used, say 3 times a month, except the Unger poles which get used more.

I have a SWB Trafic and am glad I didn't get the smaller van I considered. Why? I have a trolley I put together myself + 2 x 20l barrels. This together with a set of 12ft-ish ladders, the poles, 200m reel, descent sized tool box and assorted other gear all fits in nicely. I also do a bit of pressure washing and the washer goes into the van in place of the trolley.

I didn't feel confident putting together a system for the first time, and looking at the excellent job Pure Freedom did i'm glad I didn't - it's very professionally done. Getting all those bits and pieces they use, well, i'm not sure i'd know where to start. Well I would, but you know what I mean.

I use far more consumables than I thought - gloves, wfp fittings, flow control valves, brushes, bolts, washers, PTFE tape, filters etc etc. Like trad gear WFP equipment has a shelf life and it does get bashed around. I have to say i'm more careful now than I was, but still.

I am OK with 500l - more litres = more fuel if you run full. Get a spare pole - if you snap one then you are gonna lose a couple of days work waiting for a new one to arrive. It's reassuring to have a spare. Carry a good comprehensive tool kit with you - mine is used almost daily. I even thought today I should get one of those plug in water heating elements that you can make tea with so I can boil water to make getting the clear hose of the "Y" piece at the brush head easier!!!

I'd definately do gutter cleaning and pressure washing. Nice break from windows, plus it's a good earner.

I have 230 custies as I sit here, but am ruthless with bad payers, people who don't clean their dog muck up etc. I see I have binned around 40 custies. I can barely manage the 230 I have (almost all are 4-weekly). I am sat here now with the rain falling, I have 12 clean 2morrow of which 1 wants the insides doing (£35). This will earn me £225, but I know that with the shorter days we have now I won't get round them all. I leave home to arrive at the first one at 08:30 and finish at around 4:30 if it's a "normal" day. I'll be working the next 3 Saturdays to cope with cleans I won't be able to do over the next few days cos of the weather.

Definately don't fill up at custies houses - it's unprofessional and you could be cleaning. Cleaning = earning.

Def get RO. See http://www.cleantech.co.uk/tdscalc.htm

You'll already have the plastic bottle to pee into in the back of the van. A bigger van makes this joyous experience a little less difficult....

dazmond

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 04:34:02 pm »
matt tds is only 35 so a DI only i think will be better because no waste water with DI.as for topping up water on the job.ive got loads of custys with outside taps who wouldnt mind me topping up if need be as long as i check with them first!maybe  i should get a 400lt tank and a mid-range van like a scudo/expert/dispatch?would that be better do u think?MATT how do u go on with the escort van?surely u cant get more than a 250 in the back?what do u do?nip home and refill?would 400tank do me for 6 hrs?

best wishes to everyone
dazmond
price higher/work harder!

dazmond

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 04:44:58 pm »
sorry i gave the wrong impression before about getting water from custys taps.what i mean is that i would leave with a full tank and come home some days to refill but if im quite far away use an outside tap!on second thoughts maybe thats too much hassle.a bigger tank{400lt}and a expert/dispatch/scudo is probably wiser.that should last me a full day after first cleans are done!

thanks for ur posts

dazmond








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Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 04:46:10 pm »
Daz its a 350 litre tank, as long as I dont have my pressure washer in the back I can easily fill my tank. 350 lasts me all day.
I would go with either the Citreon Dispatch or peugeot Expert.
I had a look at the Dispatch a couple of months ago, but taking into account that I am going to get a guttervac, I am looking at a Traffic, Vivaro or Primestar.
The TDS will vary from customer to customer, your home TDS may be higher or lower than your customers.

Matt
Reaching parts traditional window cleaners can not reach.

JRDEasiReach

  • Posts: 481
Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 04:52:33 pm »
ill be looking at a dispatch too soon i reckon, wee caddy just cant hack it :)
JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

Window Washers

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2009, 06:04:36 pm »
Buy a bigger van and future proof yourself!!!
Get the hydra!!!
Fasten your reel to the ibc inside the van(.use buckle straps for this )
Dont bother with a backpack(100 mtr hose is enough)
A back back is a good idea for one-off jobs as you would be for ever filling, having both is a good move IMO or a trolley and 100 mtr reel/s
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

Blue Frog Systems

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2009, 08:10:10 pm »
I have the expert with a 400L tank and have never ran out of water ... around 15 houses a day

I do waste a bit though, so i would say get a trigger or tap... i will get one when i remember

Oh and the spare pole is a must ! even if its just a converted harris pole, just swop the brush and your back in business
Only those who risk going too far will truly know how far they can actually go

bobby p

Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2009, 08:37:45 pm »
what are you trying to gain DAZ?   

 from what i read youve got it all already now , your enjoying it too .

 im a bit like you,trad, and all i see is by going wfp you have to jack up the prices to cover the wfp costs and all this extra stuff is hassle hassle .   

 just my opinion ;D

Nathanael Jones

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2009, 09:16:46 pm »
Plan for your biggest day, you can always half fill a big tank,... but a small tank you're stuck with.

Same goes for the van,.. you might want to add pressure washing, gutter vac equipment etc etc and it all takes space. I've a swb Pug Boxer and still find it small at times!

Scrimble

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Re: ideal WFP setup/van
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2009, 10:41:16 pm »
I started in April this year with an RO/DI setup from Pure Freedom. Here's my findings.

I have a 500l system and have never run out of water yet - max houses cleaned in a day, around 16. My In TDS is 85, post RO is 1 and DI takes it to zero. I had a 20ft glass fibre GXel to start with and it was fine... to start with. I now have a SLX 27 + Superlight on angle adapter (no gooseneck), the old GXel (with Vikan hilo stiff sill brush - used as a spare and to apply TFR prior to doing gutter exteriors) and a 4ft gf pole with a soft Vikan hilo sill brush. To date i've not needed any other pole. I also have a full set of traditional gear, rarely used, say 3 times a month, except the Unger poles which get used more.

I have a SWB Trafic and am glad I didn't get the smaller van I considered. Why? I have a trolley I put together myself + 2 x 20l barrels. This together with a set of 12ft-ish ladders, the poles, 200m reel, descent sized tool box and assorted other gear all fits in nicely. I also do a bit of pressure washing and the washer goes into the van in place of the trolley.

I didn't feel confident putting together a system for the first time, and looking at the excellent job Pure Freedom did i'm glad I didn't - it's very professionally done. Getting all those bits and pieces they use, well, i'm not sure i'd know where to start. Well I would, but you know what I mean.

I use far more consumables than I thought - gloves, wfp fittings, flow control valves, brushes, bolts, washers, PTFE tape, filters etc etc. Like trad gear WFP equipment has a shelf life and it does get bashed around. I have to say i'm more careful now than I was, but still.

I am OK with 500l - more litres = more fuel if you run full. Get a spare pole - if you snap one then you are gonna lose a couple of days work waiting for a new one to arrive. It's reassuring to have a spare. Carry a good comprehensive tool kit with you - mine is used almost daily. I even thought today I should get one of those plug in water heating elements that you can make tea with so I can boil water to make getting the clear hose of the "Y" piece at the brush head easier!!!

I'd definately do gutter cleaning and pressure washing. Nice break from windows, plus it's a good earner.

I have 230 custies as I sit here, but am ruthless with bad payers, people who don't clean their dog muck up etc. I see I have binned around 40 custies. I can barely manage the 230 I have (almost all are 4-weekly). I am sat here now with the rain falling, I have 12 clean 2morrow of which 1 wants the insides doing (£35). This will earn me £225, but I know that with the shorter days we have now I won't get round them all. I leave home to arrive at the first one at 08:30 and finish at around 4:30 if it's a "normal" day. I'll be working the next 3 Saturdays to cope with cleans I won't be able to do over the next few days cos of the weather.

Definately don't fill up at custies houses - it's unprofessional and you could be cleaning. Cleaning = earning.

Def get RO. See http://www.cleantech.co.uk/tdscalc.htm

You'll already have the plastic bottle to pee into in the back of the van. A bigger van makes this joyous experience a little less difficult....

very good post :-)