[Steve CM]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

What meanings ? i don`t need silly bits of paper to prove i can do my job my experience and high reccomendation do that for me

how does your experience gain you work if know one knows you? it won't. How do customers know wether your health and safety efficient? they don't. thats when silly bits of paper work. if they do none of the above then they are worthless

I have never relied on silly bits of paper to gain me work and never will,if i did why have i got an establised business that is still growing through my experience and high reccomendations

i never said you wouldn't. bits of paper that MEAN something show your capabilites and understanding on how to work with guidelines. I'll give you an example: I went onto the NVQ level 2 course. at first i thought. come on, this sounds like pony.

after 2-3 sessions with andy willis and a few other boys i realized i have heaps to learn, i actually felt silly sometimes.

What has that made me do. Go away and make sure i make myself, my employees and my company as efficient as it can be in all areas. I've realized there is some seriously big players out there that would only laugh at someone like me.

I have built up a successful business in 4 years this february. We should turn over in excess of 190k next year at the rate of growth we have been having so in the short time i've been going i'm as proud as punch. but by going on what i thought sounded a bit of a silly course has made me realize how little i really know about our industry.

Thats what i mean by silly bits of paper

[Powerwasher]

Good point Steve..

[LWC]

And to reiterate Steve, the guild stamp (no offence) hasnt been earned, its been bought. Pay £20 and your in?

[clean]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

[clean]

And to reiterate Steve, the guild stamp (no offence) hasnt been earned, its been bought. Pay £20 and your in?

Oh ye i`ll second that

[Steve CM]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

[Gleaming windows]

Boogie, you dont have to do anything mate.

Take it or leave it.

Why bother wasting your time on this thread, its obviously not for you. You're quite obviously one of the bigger fish in the ocean in addition to being one of the better established, successful and professional ones at that, that guild members will strive to emulate.

[clean]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

No,you said you went on a course obviously you needed to learn how to clean windows,i my friend already do 

[clean]

Boogie, you dont have to do anything mate.

Take it or leave it.

Why bother wasting your time on this thread, its obviously not for you. You're quite obviously one of the bigger fish in the ocean in addition to being one of the better established, successful and professional ones at that, that guild members will strive to become.

Matt i`m in no way wasting my time on this topic

[Steve CM]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

No,you said you went on a course obviously you needed to learn how to clean windows,i my friend already do 

you can lead a horse to water.....

[clean]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

No,you said you went on a course obviously you needed to learn how to clean windows,i my friend already do 

you can lead a horse to water.....

Steve,you don`t know me you don`t know my business you don`t know how much i make,i don`t need any other way than i already do to improve my business

[Steve CM]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

No,you said you went on a course obviously you needed to learn how to clean windows,i my friend already do 

you can lead a horse to water.....

Steve,you don`t know me you don`t know my business you don`t know how much i make,i don`t need any other way than i already do to improve my business

you seem to enjoy arguing with yourself yes granted. i don't really need to know anything further myself. I make a good enough living. If i want to stand still i could do, but i don't. I've said what i'd like to change, will it happen? probably not. But a course or association that means something will only improve yourself and your business. It wouldn't do any harm would it?

[clean]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

No,you said you went on a course obviously you needed to learn how to clean windows,i my friend already do 

you can lead a horse to water.....

Steve,you don`t know me you don`t know my business you don`t know how much i make,i don`t need any other way than i already do to improve my business

you seem to enjoy arguing with yourself yes granted. i don't really need to know anything further myself. I make a good enough living. If i want to stand still i could do, but i don't. I've said what i'd like to change, will it happen? probably not. But a course or association that means something will only improve yourself and your business. It wouldn't do any harm would it?

Steve you just don`t get it do you 

[Steve CM]

So we have to prove to some guys watching us working to say if we are good enough to do our job and then give us a silly bit of paper and say there you go son now off you go and thanks for the money

 i can see you don't get it i think i may be wasting my time with this one

No,you said you went on a course obviously you needed to learn how to clean windows,i my friend already do 

you can lead a horse to water.....

Steve,you don`t know me you don`t know my business you don`t know how much i make,i don`t need any other way than i already do to improve my business

you seem to enjoy arguing with yourself yes granted. i don't really need to know anything further myself. I make a good enough living. If i want to stand still i could do, but i don't. I've said what i'd like to change, will it happen? probably not. But a course or association that means something will only improve yourself and your business. It wouldn't do any harm would it?

Steve you just don`t get it do you 

obviously not

[Window Washers]

It just seems kinda odd trying to take a peanut seriously. Try as I might I just dont seem able to do that 

[Sean Dyer]

i never said you wouldn't. bits of paper that MEAN something show your capabilites and understanding on how to work with guidelines. I'll give you an example: I went onto the NVQ level 2 course. at first i thought. come on, this sounds like pony.

after 2-3 sessions with andy willis and a few other boys i realized i have heaps to learn, i actually felt silly sometimes.

What has that made me do. Go away and make sure i make myself, my employees and my company as efficient as it can be in all areas. I've realized there is some seriously big players out there that would only laugh at someone like me.

I have built up a successful business in 4 years this february. We should turn over in excess of 190k next year at the rate of growth we have been having so in the short time i've been going i'm as proud as punch. but by going on what i thought sounded a bit of a silly course has made me realize how little i really know about our industry.

Thats what i mean by silly bits of paper

i felt same after nvq i think it was a good eye opener if nothing else !

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

ok lets draw a line under this thread...i like a good old debate myself...half of that time i spend arguing with myself the other half just agrees to be agreeable...but thats missing the point....i have lost the point...what were we talking about?.

ah yes, the guild....whether to join or not.....let me think this one through..........got it......here is my advice.

join if you want to.

dont join if you dont want to.

simples

[Steve CM]

join if you want to.

...what benefits does joining the guild have?

 

[Window Washers]

I go tthe stickers I wanted 

Ian

I thought I had stopped collecting them, but guess I havent 

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

funny you should mention trade shows ewan......we were talking about that just last week.

watch this space