[LWC]

Good post Steve.

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

ok so if the guild is not offering anything in the way of support what can you expect from joining? or is it just a blue peter badge type thing couldn't i just use the clean it up logo and say that i'm part of that community? what is the difference between being a member on here to being part of the guild?

ok, so we will just disband the guild then

and its all down to you

 

aye right.

but you are right, you do need to understand the benefits of being part of the guild.

apart from the stuff that is in the email (see above) let me run these benefits by you and see how they sit.

1. the low fee (affordable even to the likes of me)

2. the 3 complimentary decals.

3. the nice shiny new certificate.

4. the listing of your company details on the guild website.

5. the support (quite important )

6. the knowledge that you have joined at least one community group or association and the benefits of telling your customers that you are at least bothering to present a professional image.

7. you can enter the guild competitions and win some pretty expensive wfp or trad gear.

8. you can say you know scrimmy and Nat.

ok forget the last one, but the benefits far outweigh just having a blue peter type badge or cloning the CIU logo and using that. ( not sure you would be allowed, well not for twenty quid anyway )

[R W C]

I just seached mine "chris morris window cleaner" and Dean Taberner pdf guild certificate comes up 

[Steve CM]

ok so if the guild is not offering anything in the way of support what can you expect from joining? or is it just a blue peter badge type thing couldn't i just use the clean it up logo and say that i'm part of that community? what is the difference between being a member on here to being part of the guild?

ok, so we will just disband the guild then

and its all down to you

 

aye right.

but you are right, you do need to understand the benefits of being part of the guild.

apart from the stuff that is in the email (see above) let me run these benefits by you and see how they sit.

1. the low fee (affordable even to the likes of me)

2. the 3 complimentary decals.

3. the nice shiny new certificate.

4. the listing of your company details on the guild website.

5. the support (quite important )

6. the knowledge that you have joined at least one community group or association and the benefits of telling your customers that you are at least bothering to present a professional image.

7. you can enter the guild competitions and win some pretty expensive wfp or trad gear.

8. you can say you know scrimmy and Nat.

ok forget the last one, but the benefits far outweigh just having a blue peter type badge or cloning the CIU logo and using that. ( not sure you would be allowed, well not for twenty quid anyway )

i was just using CIU as an example as it is an online community which got reffered to. I guess what i was looking for in the reply is to know how the guild will make a difference to our industry? after all that's what associations are there for. to be a voice for its people and to try and change things for the better within its industry. I think the guild isn't right for me but good luck in your conquest!

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

thats what we are aiming for too...to be able to make a difference within the industry....but to make a serious difference we need to have serious backing and funding, and thats the stage we are aiming for with the numbers drive we have at the moment.

as the guild is a community based peer group at the moment i reckon the members (including me) are getting extremely good value for money as it stands.

however, how much value would someone like yourself place on the guild if it where to achieve the remits you outlined?

actually, can you tell us what it is YOU (steve) want to see changing within the industry?...and what role do you expect the guild to have in those changes?

thanks steve

[Steve CM]

thats what we are aiming for too...to be able to make a difference within the industry....but to make a serious difference we need to have serious backing and funding, and thats the stage we are aiming for with the numbers drive we have at the moment.

as the guild is a community based peer group at the moment i reckon the members (including me) are getting extremely good value for money as it stands.

however, how much value would someone like yourself place on the guild if it where to achieve the remits you outlined?

actually, can you tell us what it is YOU (steve) want to see changing within the industry?...and what role do you expect the guild to have in those changes?

thanks steve

the licensing of federations for a start

 

i would like to see window cleaning as a profession and to have minimum levels of qualifications before any single person can tout for business or even clean a pane of glass. i would like to see guys charging sensible prices and not feeling that worthless they need to charge peanuts! i would like to drive out the bad reputation window cleaners have and replace it with a respected business outlook on our industry. I would like to employ melinda messenger and use her to soap up my windows with her breasts topless......i guess we can't have it all

[clean]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

[Steve CM]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

[LWC]

Exaclty, if you have been on a course and earned this "bit of paper" then im up for it. Any tom dick and harry could join the guild and obtain this guild sticker and be useless and non trust worthy people.

[clean]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

What meanings ? i don`t need silly bits of paper to prove i can do my job my experience and high reccomendation do that for me

[Steve CM]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

What meanings ? i don`t need silly bits of paper to prove i can do my job my experience and high reccomendation do that for me

how does your experience gain you work if know one knows you? it won't. How do customers know wether your health and safety efficient? they don't. thats when silly bits of paper work. if they do none of the above then they are worthless

[Gleaming windows]

What would you suggest Steve?

[clean]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

What meanings ? i don`t need silly bits of paper to prove i can do my job my experience and high reccomendation do that for me

how does your experience gain you work if know one knows you? it won't. How do customers know wether your health and safety efficient? they don't. thats when silly bits of paper work. if they do none of the above then they are worthless

I have never relied on silly bits of paper to gain me work and never will,if i did why have i got an establised business that is still growing through my experience and high reccomendations

[Steve CM]

thats what we are aiming for too...to be able to make a difference within the industry....but to make a serious difference we need to have serious backing and funding, and thats the stage we are aiming for with the numbers drive we have at the moment.

as the guild is a community based peer group at the moment i reckon the members (including me) are getting extremely good value for money as it stands.

however, how much value would someone like yourself place on the guild if it where to achieve the remits you outlined?

actually, can you tell us what it is YOU (steve) want to see changing within the industry?...and what role do you expect the guild to have in those changes?

thanks steve

the licensing of federations for a start

 

i would like to see window cleaning as a profession and to have minimum levels of qualifications before any single person can tout for business or even clean a pane of glass. i would like to see guys charging sensible prices and not feeling that worthless they need to charge peanuts! i would like to drive out the bad reputation window cleaners have and replace it with a respected business outlook on our industry. I would like to employ melinda messenger and use her to soap up my windows with her breasts topless......i guess we can't have it all

and if you get me melinda Matt i'll pay a very good joining fee

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

ok i will look into it

[LWC]

No offence to the guild but it doesnt prove anything regarding experience and if your health and safety efficient. Like Steve said before, Blue Peter, buying a badge and not earning it.

[Window Washers]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

What meanings ? i don`t need silly bits of paper to prove i can do my job my experience and high reccomendation do that for me

how does your experience gain you work if know one knows you? it won't. How do customers know wether your health and safety efficient? they don't. thats when silly bits of paper work. if they do none of the above then they are worthless

I have never relied on silly bits of paper to gain me work and never will,if i did why have i got an establised business that is still growing through my experience and high reccomendations

What would happen if a law was passsed that you had to have, what you call "silly bits of paper" ??

They did it to electrics so please dont say it cant happen..

[clean]

So we are window cleaners and need silly bits of paper with a fancy stamp on it to prove we are good at our job  :

If that stupid bit of paper has meaning to your capabilities then yes. If it has no meaning then no!!

What meanings ? i don`t need silly bits of paper to prove i can do my job my experience and high reccomendation do that for me

how does your experience gain you work if know one knows you? it won't. How do customers know wether your health and safety efficient? they don't. thats when silly bits of paper work. if they do none of the above then they are worthless

I have never relied on silly bits of paper to gain me work and never will,if i did why have i got an establised business that is still growing through my experience and high reccomendations

What would happen if a law was passsed that you had to have, what you call "silly bits of paper" ??

They did it to electrics so please dont say it cant happen..

Big big difference there trying to compare other trades like elecrticians it seems like you are getting desperate to prove these silly bits of paper work

[LWC]

To be fair, an electrician, gas person etc, they are there to provide us a service where things CANNOT go wrong, the house isnt going to burn down if we clean a window wrong. lol

[Gleaming windows]

It just seems kinda odd trying to take a peanut seriously. Try as I might I just dont seem able to do that