[derek west]

so the money, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr forget it. can't be fcked.

de, arrrrr can't even be bothered to sign off

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

And the Import / Exports how they doing

[derek west]

Really?



And the reason I am thinking of a TM is  I have won a contract. And yes TMs win hands down for not refilling.


Dave

thought you were gonna drill a hole in your rhino with your imported cordless bosche powerdrill that you saved £11.75 on. so you didn't have to refill. and thats why TM's aren't any better.
de.....

[Simon Gerrard]

Dave,

I think you've got your eyes wide shut as far as buying equipment is concerned and if this is the extent of your business acumen then good luck to you because you're going to need it.
When you buy a Truck Mount, you also buy into the product support and service that comes with it.
I dread to think what logical, or illogical process lead you to chose the Prowler in the first place, but let me take a guess, price?
And now having made your choice you seem hell bent on making sure that you  place your investment and your business in jeopardy by missing out the very person you WILL need at some point in time. Great idea!
Like Tony says, I too think you're just blowing smoke up our arses
Simon

[Pristine Clean]

Dave,

I think you've got your eyes wide shut as far as buying equipment is concerned and if this is the extent of your business acumen then good luck to you because you're going to need it.
When you buy a Truck Mount, you also buy into the product support and service that comes with it.
I dread to think what logical, or illogical process lead you to chose the Prowler in the first place, but let me take a guess, price?
And now having made your choice you seem hell bent on making sure that you  place your investment and your business in jeopardy by missing out the very person you WILL need at some point in time. Great idea!
Like Tony says, I too think you're just blowing smoke up our arses
Simon

Yes Price you guessed correct.

Are you stating that a Prowler is the wrong decision , strange you are basing that on what you know about my company. Which is nothing. All you actually know is I dont spend anymore than I need to.

As for placing my business in jeoprady, How do you know this. Just because I purchase from America where I could save money. It may come to light after looking - I may find a second hand machine in the UK that is alot cheaper, if so I will/may purchase.

And yes for now I may just drill a hole in the rhino and run a ball valve and hose to a connectting tap - even TMS have to refill in the end.

The works of that is not hard as we run several WFP systems (for cleaning windows)and run on variable speed pumps and battery so I may rig a tank up from the vans and a hose to the porty and save the money instead. That way no need to use custys water supply. There are many options available. you are only limited to your imagination and skill.

Dave



 

[davep]

Just get one new £6k.  You will soon have your money back 

[derek west]

And yes for now I may just drill a hole in the rhino and run a ball valve and hose to a connectting tap - even TMS have to refill in the end.

no they dont, you can get them with auto fill and dump, and guess what, no drilling.
d......

[Simon Gerrard]

Derek,
He may have saved £11.75 on the import of his Bosche cordless drill but forgot to consider that it comes with a 110 charger made for the American market and  so had to import a Bosche approved 240 volt charger which cost £59.99 + shipping, vat and import duty and even more hassle and then found that the plug on it was American, not British and so had to import a US to British plug adaptor, Bosche approved, of course, for $29 plus shipping charges, import duty, vat and currency conversion charges, which when it arrived didn't work because the lazy bast__ds at Heathrow Airport daft import shed drop the bloody thing and it was run over by a fork lift driven by a illegal polish immigrant from Latvia. In the meantime the Rhino has flat refused to work as it was brought up in a good class British factory and won't work with imported foreign parts that aren't compatible with its European credentials.

If it takes all of that poope just to drill a bloody hole then good help him when it comes to something as bulky as a Prowler

Simon

[robert meldrum]

On checking back.

You were asking loads of questions giving the impression you wanted  / needed information to ensure you were competent enough to carry out carpet cleaning.

On your web site you claim to be a very experienced carpet cleaner and show a before / after example which anyone would be proud of.

There is something wrong in your presentation of yourself and it's not particularly pleasing as you'll gather from the reaction.

I agree with Tony G S's comments

[derek west]

whats the betting his wifes from thailand
derek

[derek west]

and she was a bargain cos she came with a free wand
i'll shut up now
derek

[Stu.Clem]

lol

any sharper u guys and u will cut yaself!!!  class

champagne lifestyle on a lemonade budget springs to mind


 

[Pristine Clean]

On checking back.

You were asking loads of questions giving the impression you wanted  / needed information to ensure you were competent enough to carry out carpet cleaning.

On your web site you claim to be a very experienced carpet cleaner and show a before / after example which anyone would be proud of.

There is something wrong in your presentation of yourself and it's not particularly pleasing as you'll gather from the reaction.

I agree with Tony G S's comments

In answer to your reply Robert, Yes I have cleaned many carpets and generally do get good results. If you are only aware of my website that is in my profile I can certainly show you other websites I have 3. With even better before and after pictures.

But I am pleased that you think they are good results that any CC would be proud of. I only use what some people brand as a low life unprofessionable Portable who does not have a clue about running a business.

Which just because I like to keep my hard earned money in my bank instead of some elses pocket you seem to all take a dislike to me. You dont need BIG fancy machines to get great results or be professional, But the machines are great and look good from a selling point of veiw.

As for my presentation on the website and stating that I am an experience CC that is Marketing. But I have been cleaning for over 10 years on and off.

As you are probably aware we run an office cleaning company with window cleaning mainly WFP and carpet cleaning and many other services.

Now if I was to inform the visitors that I or my team were rubbish CC, and show them terrible pictures of before and after we would not get any enquires. 

And yes I do ask question on how would you approach or how would you clean such and such. This is simply gathering knowledge from people in the industry. The forum is generally Extremely helpful. I have myself have been given lots advice and I hope I have helped people at least as half as I have been. Thats the point of this Forum Which makes this Forum a great Place.

As for the presentation of myself, I will say that I am unsure of what you actually mean so I am a little confused.

I am assuming that its to do with saving money. Which you guys dont seem to like.

As for the Major, I have chosen to look into the possibility of purchasing a Prowler, possible a similar brand.

And I have researched this and why we want this. Its simply more practical for us. Plus it also can be portable if required. We have buildings that we clean that will not have doors windows open end of! Its ok for people to say Access is only a problem if you let it be. Well for us Access would be overcome by having a Prowler as it could be Portable.

As for my business acumen, that you think I lack, ask yourself how many hours day you work, You maybe luck and smart enough to be enjoying life without the need to work full time.

Yesterday I went clay shooting I will be doing that again in the week as I and my wife are lucky and only work 10 - 15 hours a week combined! While alot of you are slogging away. So my shrewdness has got me alot further than most.

Davep
"Just get one new £6k.  You will soon have your money back " 
No that was the point of the post to Try and save money- If I save money my ROI increases. And parts will be available, there are not many decent machanics nowadays just Part fitters.

And no Derek, you are probably right I probably wont own a Prowler within the next six months. I have just spent money on a



Rhino - £950
Hand tool £175
Envirodri E30 Under £600
2 blowers used £120
Sebo used - 50
extra 50 feet vac - solution hose - £190 i think
2 more Vans - several £1000,s
Placed order for sign written designs both vans more £££

All prices include VAT but I get the VAT back as we are VAT registered

Wages for new employees
plus around £300 on other bits and peices the list goes on.

So yes if I choose to invest or as you guys put it waste my money as I may find cheaper else where.

As for the other childish comments which only prove that you have lost yolur professionalism and I will choose to ignore them.

Basically you seem to have taken an offence into me trying to keep my money in the bank by going to purchase cheaper for the same product that is Twice as much over here.
Just because one may have money does not mean that you have to waste it and show the world. People that generally do that are insecure.

Dave

[jonnyald]

just trying to help you out mate, but sounds to me like you've got everything sorted, which asks the question, why on earth did you bother putting the thread up in the first place.
you paid peanuts for your rhino and you wanna import a prowler to save a few quid, which in the long run i doubt you will.
personally you sound like a bit of a tight wad. in which case, distributers are probably better off without your custom,
just an observation mind, i could be wrong.
derek

The reason I put the thread up was to get your Valued opinions. Not just to for you to say to me support your local dealer. It was not to get into an argument. But people seem to take me the wrong way. Ill admit I am blunt to the point. But honesty never paid!

Dave

   ^^  "honesty never paid "   -    is that your modus operandi??

[mark shannon]

Dave its simple really with a TM you need dealer backup, without it your going to end up with a big literal and financial headache.

JKs got a super reputation and has kept the Prowler price very reasonable.

mark

[John Kelly]

Even John Kelly has said in a previous post he was making a killing!

Lie, show me where I said that.

If I purchase something over priced, like a Prowler over hear, an example I personally think the markup is around £1650 per machine based on a Prowler. Other TM systems there is more markup! That price is just an example. Now it wont take long before a supplier sells 12 machines and has a deposit for a 600 mercedeze benz.

I told you upfront what I am making on these at the moment. I have reduced the price just to stir some interest which has worked and sold 2 machines this week. Price will be going back up in couple of weeks time.


Anyway like I said, I am just looking inot it for now. Only to see if it is possible to save money. As for repairs I am quite machanically minded!

God help you mate if you do buy a truckmount. You didn't even know your Rhino had a pressure regulator on it!

I'm not replying to any more of your posts because they are just silly. I'll reply to the email you sent to Amtex on Monday.
By the way good businessmen don't always buy cheap. Its certainly never been my business ethos. Personally I pay more for products and services which I know are top class.

[Pristine Clean]

Hi Mark,

I appreciate and agree with what you are saying. But if you need this backup so much then quite simply the build quality is not superb. Considering the amount that they cost depending on the model. Many of you keep saying we require backup. If a product is so good you dont require backup. Not so often anyways. You are down grading the product yourselves.

As for JKs reutation yes it maywell be superb and he may offer exquisit service that is out of this world. Also he maybe a superb person.

Many people have veered away from the idea of "Trying to save money" I am in no way saying that JK, or any other supplier is not offering a good Price.

But that Price known as an "Invitation to buy" is not the price I am willing to pay. Considering what the actual cost is and that is considerably alot lower. . And hats off to him. Well done.

And yes some one said its a niche market, and that is why they are over priced.

Just because they have all paid in my opinion "over the top" price thats was their misfortune and it will not be mine.


JK as for not knowing it had a regulator on it, I was sure but I was not aware the regulator was located! If you look at this picture of a Rhino -  can you see a regulator at the front like mine has in my other post about the rhino! No its different!

As for this By the way good businessmen don't always buy cheap. Its certainly never been my business ethos. Personally I pay more for products and services which I know are top class.

Its not about buying a cheap product. I purchase in my opinion a reasonably priced equipment. Just because equipment is expensive does not make then 1st grade.

And you yourself John seem to have taken the post incorrectly. We all know we want to save money, surely there is no harm in trying to save money. If that means cutting the middle man out, which if we could and still retain a profit and backup would we not go down that route. If we are honest I think we would.


And as for trying to stop a purchase in the states. It cant be done. My father in-law lives in Huston. Texas. I lived in America for over 3 years myself so I can quite easily arrange it.
But that wont be just yet as this post at the begining was just an enqury to see if we could purchase cheaper! But people have been offended that I was only trying to save money - not takeaway business from someone.

Dave

[Pristine Clean]

JK actually wrote

It was just your tone that implied we were making a killing which was annoying thats all.

I must appologise I read this wrong so Sorry!

Dave

[Simon Gerrard]

Dave,

You're absolutely amazing. I don't think I have ever come across someone so short sighted in my life. You're talking about investing in a machine about which you clearly know nothing. You can't even accept that any machine, let a lone a sophisticated piece of kit like a TM will at some point or other require repairs, not because as you state, 'But if you need this backup so much then quite simply the build quality is not superb. Considering the amount that they cost depending on the model. Many of you keep saying we require backup. If a product is so good you dont require backup. Not so often anyways. You are down grading the product yourselves,' but because all machines will not run for ever without breaking down and that is why you need excellent service and backup from a dealer. That dealer backup is something that comes with your machine, free of charge and with JK you are getting the very best backup in the industry but you see that as an irrelevance which is quite frankly astonishing.

You say, 'And I have researched this and why we want this. Its simply more practical for us. Plus it also can be portable if required. We have buildings that we clean that will not have doors windows open end of! Its ok for people to say Access is only a problem if you let it be. Well for us Access would be overcome by having a Prowler as it could be Portable.'
If you had done your research you would have realised, perhaps in the first few seconds that the Prowler runs on petrol and while it may be portable that doesn't mean you can take it into buildings like you can a portable, doh!!! You know fumes, fire alarms going off, health and safety regulations things like that, obviously you will have researched those things as thoroughly as everything else.

You seem to have asked a perfectly reasonable question, to which you got a lot of very helpful and honest answers, the most frequent and heartfelt of them being that if you are going to buy a TM you need really good service and technical back up, to which you reply, 'Well, if they need that much backup they mustn't be very good in the first place!' which to me shows an astonishing level of incompetence on your part. All you're saving is a measly thousand quid and for that you are prepared to forgo having someone at the end of a phone line who understands your machine, can diagnose any problems and supply you with the parts that will get you back to work and save you thousands in lost sales due to downtime. Most people in your position ask, 'Yes, but what happens if my machine breaks down?' and then come on a forum like this and research the service reputation of the various suppliers and thereby put yourself at ease that you would be in safe hands in that regards, but not you.
If you were on Britain's Got Business Talent you would have got three XXX's long ago and shown the door.

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

The best way to treat this post now is to ignore it so my last comments are just that people like John Kelly is always willing to give good advice and help for FREE just look back at his posts.
One other point when people say backup you take it to mean the machine must be no good in fact backup ie servicing advice on using and when required parts.
You have had the replys from us all so act on them or don't the choice is now yours.
THATS IT NOT WASTING ANYMORE TIME ON THIS POST.

TONY