[strakercleaning]

My best mate has a peanut allergy.

At school, we used to play russian roulette with a bag of Revels 

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Why is it that somebody brings out an excellent product, even potentially life saving you could say, and there are always people waiting with their claws out ready to pounce on it?

Allerg-STOP is a good thing it has been proven in many ways. Not only does it ELIMINATE all air allergens but it is also a brilliant disinfectant. So far it has been tested upto MRSA standard and passed, It is presently undergoing tests to see just how a high level it will disinfect to.

Trust me this product is going places.

[darrenlee]

to all reading this topic

my intention is not, to slate this product, i have said from the start, possible benfits to people that suffer.
my question was long term, is it doing more harm than good,

and if you read all my posts on this subject, u can see many
reasons why this product, my not be a benifit to all
members of society.

i have asked already will it only be aimed at people with allergys?

and chris what as trying to swollow a whole apple got to do
with an allergic reaction 

knights forgot your full title sorry
are we not allowed our own opinion of things and try to get
a good topic going, about a product and subject that effects us all, or should we just believe everything we are told about
something is fact .

many thanks darren

[Dynafoam]

Daren,

I can see the logic of you question.

It is true that bacteria found in African soil are being injected into babies at high risk of developing asthma, in order to 'kick-start' their immune systems. This is an extensive trial, conducted over a number of years, but initial results seem to indicate that the theory behind is is valid.

This theory is that in our increasingly sterile world, some peoples immune system does not start to function as nature designed it. This gives rise to an increased incidence of auto-immune dysfunctions such as asthma.

The point you raised, that removing allergens may, for those inhabitants of the home that do not currently display allergic reactions, cause this effect, is a reasonable one to be examined.

My own thoughts are that;

a) Evidence strongly suggests that the immune system does not need to be exposed to every allergen in order to learn which of these foreign proteins to attack. In which case the removal from the home environment of those broken down by Alergstop should not , in itself create sensitivity.

b) Even with the best efforts of the Alergstop Network, exposure to these allergens will still occur as a result of the free passage of our atmosphere and trips outside the home.

The consequences of asthma and hay fever can be be quite debilitating for the sufferer. The former can have fatal consequences. Those facts have ample proof.

The possibility of scoring an own goal by this additional sanitisation is not only unproven but highly tenuous, the product itself has already undergone extensive testing and is currently undergoing additional testing by a respected medical facility, so I would have no compunction in using the product.

It is, however a valid question to be asked.

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

It is only some peoples opininon and suggestion that the fact we are too clean is causing more proplems than good.

My opinion and suggestion is that the reason we are getting more of these ailments is more the fault of increasing pollution levels.

Increasing levels of industry,
Increasing levels of road traffic (both light and Heavy)
Increasing levels of air traffic (one plane putting out enough pollution on take off alone as hundreds of cars)
Increasing industrialisation in third world countries
High tech war

the list is endless

Allerg-STOP is trying to help the people with these ailments by making their home a haven to them and giving them a better quality of life.

[darrenlee]

carprt knights i agree many things are to blame

so will you only be marketing the product to people
that suffer ?

my family have been in carpet industry for over three generations, and products very similar to this, have been
tried and died.

i wish all who are using it good luck, and hope you make a few quid, as that is what the product is really about.
thanks john for clearing up some of the things i was asking,
i can see some benifits for certain people, but a said that from the start.

thanks darren

[Dynafoam]

Goron,

There is a great deal of evidence to support the theory ( backed by the World Health Organisation) that  an over-sanitised infancy combined with lack of breast feeding is responsible for the development of auto-immune diseases.

Once these have developed the other factors you mention come into play.

I commend your enthusiasm for what I believe to be an important and exciting product, but take care not to develop a blinkered view.

If the problem of what amounts to a first-world epidemic is to be tackled, we need to examine both causal and remedial factors. Alergstop may be the first big advance in the environmental treatment of asthma and allergic rhinitis, but treatment is only part of the cure.

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

point taken john.

Darren Obviously the product is aimed at sufferers. surely it would be impossible to sell to a non sufferer (suppose it would depend on yours sales technique )

for a non sufferer to want it would be like taking a paracetamol because you felt like it

[dave washbrook]

goran
 i am attending the next allerg-STOP course on the 10/5 and in preporation i have been asking my customers if they might be interested in allerg-stop, all but 2 have said that they dont suffer from any allergies but would still be prepared to pay extra to have their carpets/upholstery cleaned with an allergy control product, so i think if the benefits are explained then people will have the allerg-stop treatment even if they dont suffer.

lets hope so
good luck with allerg-stop
dave

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

yes lets hope

[darrenlee]

i read what you put, u dont read what i put with a open mind
and unblinked view.
if you read in the post it is aimed at cleaning in general
not just your product, just you are so quick to defend it,
rather than look at an overall view.
how many times do i have to say it, from the start i have said
can see benifit to certain people.

Allergens kill, especially kids
In 1980 there were 7 million asthma sufferers.............2001 there were 20 million.
Asthma causes 11 million doctors office visits a year.
1 in 13 school aged children have asthma and it is rising.
4.2 million children had asthma attacks last year.


  what will these figures
be in another 50 years doubled?. so if you care to read from the start you might get what i have been saying , and why i asked the question to start with. anyway only time will tell.


again thanks and hope it helps certain people in understanding
certain things about our industry

thanks darren 
 

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

Lets try to keep this friendly.

Allergstop is currently a very early stage product , afterall it was only launched a couple of weeks ago and in all honesty we will not know how effective it is or of any health problems for at least a year or two.

It is important to keep objective and have a proper dicscussion which does not invlove slagging people off if they do not agree.

What I definitely do not want to see is a them and us situation developing or any mob mentality and as moderator I will delete posts which breach this.

Cheers,

Doug

[Dynafoam]

What was an interesting and sensible debate has become something else.

Darren,

Calling Chris childish will not help get over your point.

Chris,

I do not think that Darren was attacking the product but asking a question that Gunter probably considered himself. In most instances it will not be every member of the household who suffer allergic reactions, so a consideration of any effect on non-sufferers is sensible. Current test results do indicate that there are no contra-indications, so it would seem that there is no down-side.

Though not a network member I share your enthusiasm for the product and sincerely hope and believe that the investment will not only pay off for the applicator but also for the sufferer.

PS.  For the benefit of those who have not heard of the apple analogy:

Take a whole apple and try to swallow it - The body cannot cope.

Now cut the apple into smaller pieces - the body can then cope with the entire apple.

This was used  as an illustration of the action of Allergstop. It breaks down the allergen molecules into component parts, which are then not recognised by the immune system as an 'enemy'. Though  the allergen is fully ingested, it does not produce the allergic reaction.

[darrenlee]

john he started the personnel bit not me
but the post before i put that as been removed

like i have said cant seem to have own opinion

[darrenlee]

anyway am not replying to anything else on the subject.

thanks darren

[Doug Holloway]

Darren,

You are more than welcome to have your opinon and yes I can confirm that a post was removed,  not by me I hasten to add.

Cheers,

DSoug

[strakercleaning]

I removed my own posts so as not to be drawn into a discussion with someone who refuses to accept my point of view.
Every example put forward was brushed aside, ignored or not understood.
Not into wasting my time so removed pointless posts and moved on 

On Darren's advice, I will stay in the garden and enjoy stimulating conversation with my 7 & 11 yr old kids 

[therapist]

Asthma has been around since I was a and that was before many of you were born.

My father suffered terribly and it only improved ( significantly ) when he moved to Canada's drier climate, from the West of Scotland.

My brother was unfortunate in inheriting the gene and asthma was the cause of his death at a young 34 years of age. There were SEVEN kids in our family.

I also remember two kids of my age group who were sufferers, one died at just 13 years of age.

We lived in an area, which could only be regarded, as having very fresh air, about 800 ft above sea level, a country village surrounded by farms and no industry within 20 plus miles.

The prevailing wind, S/W came in from the Atlantic via Ireland and the Clyde.

So, what caused the Asthma, certainly wasn't car fumes or industrial waste, or artificial fertilisers, but it was there.
Probably genetic................

What  "allergy control" productsare doing, is targetting the triggers, which set off an asthmatic attack, including dust mite droppings, as it's the enzymes in the dustmites digestive system which is thought to be the main trigger, or possibly even the cause of Asthma

In my capacity as a Therapist I come accross asthmatics frequently and help them overcome their problem.

One of the things I suggest to everyone, is to instal carpeting rather than  lami' type flooring, as it's known that lami' type flooring in a home significantly increases the incidence of allergic conditions.

Having said all that, I would be perfectly happy to use ALLERG-STOP or any prduct that might offer help, or relief to a sufferer,

I know about all of the arguments and I think it's more to do with the slightly OTT enthusiasm dispayed that's causing this heated debate.

Remember, you are all part of a priveleged group who are becoming more " aware " than the rest of the c / c's out there and if you, or I don't become licenced/distributors/or whatever I'm sure we will all be able to use the products.

Good luck

 r m

[neil 47]

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Neil

[therapist]

Meant to say ...since I was a kid.......which was in the 50's
yep I'm ancient. Don't feel it , but the mirror keeps reminding me.... was born in 1944