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darrenlee

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is allergy- stop safe ?
« on: April 29, 2005, 11:11:41 pm »
          we all need contact with bactteria & viruses,
to help build a strong imune system.
its noted we are are all getting more food allergys &
other types of allergys, and our over cleanlilness is part
to blame.
           so is a product like allergy-stop safe & needed.
to the genuine person who suffers an allergy yes,
but someone that does'nt suffer ? .
           if the product is aimed at the people that suffer
all well and good, but more likely to be the mases .
so what will the benifet be in the long term to the people
who dont already suffer from allergys.
well there imune system suffer.

thanks darren

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2005, 11:31:07 pm »
Darren,
Allerg-STOP is aimed at alleviating the suffering caused by allergies. It is unlikely to be purchased just for the fun of it.
It breaks down allergens that most people can deal with but some react to. This cannot 'start up' asthma as it does away with the irritants that may cause it in the first place.
Trust me.................. I have spent hours reading the facts on asthma and allergies.
My wife suspects i am having an affair with the girl in the library  :-X

darrenlee

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2005, 11:36:01 pm »
chris i am a little crap, when it comes to putting words
into writing.
     but u have'nt answered the question.
my question is long term benifits using this product for people
who dont suffer from allergys already.


Allerg-STOP is aimed at alleviating the suffering caused by allergies. It is unlikely to be purchased just for the fun of it.


never said it would be, said benifet to people that suffer.
will you market the product and benifits only to people with allergys ?

many thanks darren

darrenlee

  • Posts: 186
Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2005, 01:26:39 am »
It is now believed by the science community, (and me too), that some allergies can be prevented to some degree, so those of you out there that don't have kids yet, will want to read this section carefully  ;-)

Nowadays, we live in a pretty polluted world, which tends to overwhelm our systems, if we're not programmed to accept these allergens.  Along with the allergens that most people think of (dust, dust mites, pollen, etc), we also have to consider cigarette smoke, exhaust fumes, etc (air pollution.)  And, we have lots of chemicals now in our home and work environment that we're not designed to endure (like formaldehyde fumes from the building materials in our homes.)

On the other hand, at the same time, we are creating excessively clean environments in our homes.  Imagine all the products that have become available in the past 10-20 years to help us keep our homes clean and comfortable and more STERILE.  Included are antibacterial products that keep germs at bay, innovations like high quality vacuums that keep our carpeting much cleaner than years ago.  Almost everyone has a dish washer, that completely sterilizes the eating utensils.  The list does truly go on and on. 

And, our behaviors have changed.  Gone are the days where we'd let our kids run around in the yard barefoot.  Parents freak out when their babies pick toys or dropped food items off the floor in the kitchen, and stick them into their mouths.  Pacifiers are constantly washed when they fall on the floor.  We go nuts when the babies try to eat sand.  Our kids spend much more time inside this excessively clean home than they did 30 years ago, playing computer, watching TV, etc.

The trouble with our clean behaviors, and keeping our homes so clean, is that this new generation of children don't have regular exposure to the natural, harmless, germs and allergens that are supposed to be accepted by our bodies.  Studies have shown that children raised in homes with 2 or more dog or cat pets don't have as high an incidence of pet allergies that children have that have been raised (as babies or very young children) without dog or cat pets.  Did you know that families that live in homes with more than two toilets tend to have more allergy trouble because these toilets stay cleaner without everyone in the house using one?  Our kid's bodies do actually learn to accept the germs from the rest of the family.

Our kid's bodies are supposed to LEARN how to handle these foreign things.  By depriving their little bodies of these allergens, we are actually creating allergies.  So, in order for them to do this, we do need to expose our babies and children to these items.  If we want our kids to grow up without allergies, we need to stop being so overly protective about cleanliness and allergens.  We need to gently expose our kids to normal, everyday germs and environmental allergens.  This should be gentle exposure. 

darrenlee

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2005, 01:33:48 am »
For thousands of years, humans have lived in an environment contaminated with bacteria and other microbes. Our bodies learned to recognise the presence of germs and respond accordingly, an ability which, according to scientists, is learned in the first six to 24 months of life.

In fact, a baby's immune system begins preparing for microbial onslaught even before birth, with the placenta acting as a filter that lets through small amounts of innocuous allergens and microbes and by the age of three years, the human body has learned all it needs to know to fight against germ invaders. Over the last century, protection against infectious diseases - through antibiotics, vaccines, water purification, sanitation and hygiene - has dramatically improved our health and increased our life expectancy.

However, work from a growing number of research teams is reinforcing the 'hygiene hypothesis', which says that exposure to microbes and getting infected with some of them strengthens the body's natural immune system against allergies. The theory, according to a study published in the March 2004 Annals of Internal Medicine, is that our use of disinfectants and antibacterials has interfered with our early exposure to germs and disturbed the body's system for recognising and responding to bacteria and viruses.

The unused immune system, which is keen to do its job, therefore sees dust and pollen as dangerous invaders and responds in a way that causes asthma and allergies.

Apart from this, these antibacterial products offer little protection against the most common germs that cause illness anyway. So more good news for parents who don't really want to spend all their time cleaning and disinfecting - it's probably best that you don't anyway. Keep your house tidy and clean but remember, germs live there too and bleach and sprays are harmful to germs! It's also worth remembering how these strong chemicals can be affecting your child's health too.

Derek

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2005, 07:59:28 am »
Darrenlee

An extremely sensible post if I may say so...I am an unbeliever! 
There I have said it...

When I was a little lad (many, many moons ago now) I cannot for the life of me remember a child with Asthma but at the school where my Governor works at least thirty percent of the children in each class (in some its fifty percent) have inhalers etc.

Taking your valid points a stage further we now live in centrally heated homes with double glazing the norm....think about it... we don't become exposed to all the germs we used to and therefore we do not build up a complete immune system.

I remember an old fella who once said to me "you can't play around with nature and get away with it" and over the years I have seen clear evidence of that fact on many occasions.
A classic case is the increasing popularity of organic gardening..Why... because of all the well 'meaning additives' that are now proving to be detrimental.

Derek

Doug Holloway

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2005, 08:08:22 am »
Hi Guys,

I too have reservations about the approach of using one chemical to counter the effects of another chemical , without knowing the longer term effects of the new chemical.

There is a lot of info about enzymes being one of the major causes of the rise in asthma sensitisations.

For some years I have believed in the minimum chemical approach and this is something that attracts me to MS , particularly with respect to the fresh water rinse.

Cheers,

Doug


Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2005, 08:21:24 am »
Lets get this into some perspective........ This is not me taking insulin if i dont have Diabetes. That in itself would make me ill but be of help to the diabatic.
This enzyme is from a natural source, Papaya, already used in the treatment of Cancer, Aids and dozens of other ailments.
This attacks the proteins in the allergens and breaks them down so the body does not repel them by allergic reaction. Non sufferers can accept these allergens without reaction so there will be no change for the non sufferer anyway.
Simply put........ allergic reaction to trying to at a whole apple would be choking but cut that apple into 8 sections and the body can take it in harmlessly. As a non sufferer, you still get your apple ;D

woodman

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2005, 09:37:30 am »
Bleaches and sprays are harmful to germs but they can aslo be harmful to humans.

Bleach being used around the home on a regular basis has long been thought to the trigger in some people for asthma.

I would rather use a natural product any day over ever strengthening detergents.

paul@ctcs

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2005, 10:38:17 am »
All well and good but there are many thousands of people who already suffer from allergies who can benefit from this treatment, I for one suffer terribly from hay fever, the blood vessels in my nose inflame to the point its impossible to breath through it which results in massive nose bleeds, my eyes are painfully sore, etc. This is at its worse in the evenings making sleeping a nightmare and a lousy quality of life for a couple of months as medication has limited effects. With allerg-stop ive been able to keep my bedroom pollen free with spectacular results and a good quality of life back, what price can you put on that!!!

Paul

woodman

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2005, 11:04:36 am »
For some reason in just the last two years I have developed early season hay fever, yet in the past and growing up as a kid I never suffered with anything..........Very Strange

I also have an allergy to cats and wear a mask when I am in some ones home that has a cat that I am cleaning.
 ::)

darrenlee

  • Posts: 186
Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2005, 11:15:40 am »
chris think you should change name allergy - stop

In a condition that has come to be known as “ficus-fruit syndrome” individuals who are allergic to tropical fruits such as bananas, figs, or kiwi fruit may also be allergic to papaya or to papain, which is derived from the papaya fruit. Allergic reactions to papain have also been reported in individuals who are sensitive to latex or to the ornamental houseplant, weeping fig (Ficus benjamina).

seems it causes allergys as well as stops

darren

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2005, 01:13:24 pm »
I am allergic to people who disagree with absolutely everything I say  ;D
If I said it was made of pure air, you strike me as the type of person who would tell me you knew someone who was allergic to that.
Nothing I say will appease you so I will stop trying.
Have a nice day :)

ps. It has never been called ' allergy - stop' anyway  ;)

darrenlee

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2005, 01:32:32 pm »
chris like the police badge

whats it say  ;D

John_Flynn

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2005, 01:47:57 pm »
All well and good but there are many thousands of people who already suffer from allergies who can benefit from this treatment, I for one suffer terribly from hay fever, the blood vessels in my nose inflame to the point its impossible to breath through it which results in massive nose bleeds, my eyes are painfully sore, etc. This is at its worse in the evenings making sleeping a nightmare and a lousy quality of life for a couple of months as medication has limited effects. With allerg-stop ive been able to keep my bedroom pollen free with spectacular results and a good quality of life back, what price can you put on that!!!

Paul


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm me thinks April have we had much pollen yet??
I get better looking each day!!

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2005, 01:52:07 pm »
Against my better judgement ::)
Badge was found on internet as a tongue in cheek amongst other Network members.
It has NO bearing on a product with a similar name, situated directly beneath the pretty badge that has captured your imagination. Name and registered trademark sign indicate the correct product name......... simple but effective.

SMP

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2005, 01:56:18 pm »
Some excellent points raised Darren.  I'm not suggesting that people should STOP having their carpets cleaned so that they can develop some healthy anti-bodies but if there are very young children in the house is the application of Promite / NUVA / Allergy Stop etc a good thing or not? (unless they have already demonstarted allergic reactions to things in the house).

Mud pies and eating worms may have done more good than we give credit for!!! :P :P

cheers
Steve Poole

paul@ctcs

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2005, 02:03:55 pm »
John,

Trust me on this one!!
Take a look out the window and what do the trees look like??
covered in blossom so full of pollen that makes my life a misery :-[
Grass pollen is also now coming into play and this is the stuff that really causes problems. Hay fever comes at different times of the year for differnt sufferers, mid april through to the end of june is when I'm affected but july and august are fine??!!........Strange I know but thats the way it is :-\
The fact we own a farm puts me right in amongst hundreds of acres of the stuff :o

Paul

Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2005, 02:24:17 pm »
Steve,
Why not go the whole hog and abandon cars and ovens.
That way we would all become super fit without fatty deposits in our veins.
We were so much better of in the old days............ gool old TB and scurvy, made us much stronger.......... if it didn't kill you  :o
Allergens kill, especially kids
In 1980 there were 7 million asthma sufferers.............2001 there were 20 million.
Asthma causes 11 million doctors office visits a year.
1 in 13 school aged children have asthma and it is rising.
4.2 million children had asthma attacks last year.
My son, aged 7, had a bad asthma attack 3 years ago and I would have paid thousands for a nebuliser machine, if i could have done.
This is an available to all solution, to a problem that could affect most people at some time.




Lets leave it alone and hope we are strong enough to ignore it  :o


Barry Pearce

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Re: is allergy- stop safe ?
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2005, 02:26:36 pm »
I have a nut allergy, so I keep away from nutters
Barry