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Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2009, 12:57:25 pm »
Clean edge, the difference is the sebo has TWO vac motors so its 1300 is dedicated to suction and so does not lose energy driving the beater bar, it has a seperate motor for the beater bar.

Ok, thanks I didn't know that, but still under powered compared to 2400 watt Mielle - no competition really   :P

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2009, 01:58:08 pm »
I think you're right about looks actually.... That's why I'll stick with my bs36 :P

master-clean

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Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2009, 03:26:23 pm »
Clean edge, the difference is the sebo has TWO vac motors so its 1300 is dedicated to suction and so does not lose energy driving the beater bar, it has a seperate motor for the beater bar.

Ok, thanks I didn't know that, but still under powered compared to 2400 watt Mielle - no competition really   :P

I really can't comment as I never use a Mielle  :P

 ;D

Joe H

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2009, 03:28:22 pm »
My wife cleans a house and they have a Miele Cat & Dog and she reckons its a very good machine.

However, am I correct it saying its a cylinder model with a turbo brush?

Cylinder cleaners generally have bigger wattage motors then uprights. Thats to compensate for the length of hose it has to move air from. Uprights are on top of the job.

Cylinders do not do the job of as good as an upright with a beat bar. The BS36 digs deep.
I also have a 10 year old Kirby which works very efficiently too.

The BS36 does a very good job.
I have a Sebo Felix as our home machine, its 12" wide with the same motors as the BS36 (14" wide), I think the Felix does a better job then the BS36 but no as well built.

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2009, 03:41:49 pm »
I also have a 10 year old Kirby which works very efficiently too.


You didn't buy a Kirby did you? Had the chap around, had the demo, years ago mind, the bloke I remember wouldn't take no for an answer, ended up throwing him and his stuff out front door literally   :o    ;D

Joe H

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2009, 04:22:08 pm »
The machine is good.

I dont like their sales methods.

Yes of course I bought a Kirby, no one been generous enough to gove me one and I dont pinch them  ;D

Bought off Ebay a year ago, for £110.
Dont use it as frequently as the Sebo/Karcher, mainly because its a pain to put the hose on to do edges.
Plain open spaces - yep, a good cleaner.
Wouldnt buy a brand new one, no vac is worth anywhere near £1000 never mind the starting price of £1400-£1500.

The Royal gets good reviews but putting the hose on that is worse then doing the Kirby I believe.

Jim_77

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2009, 05:41:42 pm »
The Royal gets good reviews but putting the hose on that is worse then doing the Kirby I believe.

Exactly why I carry a fantastic cylinder vac with me as well as the Royal.  They're both best at what they're designed for :)

vacman

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Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2009, 08:44:26 pm »
The wattage for cylinder vacuum cleaners was always higher because the machine cleaned by suction alone, whereas the uprights had revolving brushes and didnt need as much power. Add to which, a lot of older uprights (and all the Kirbys) use a 'dirty fan' system which means dust and debris passes through the suction fan, which is not ideal, but it does create a good suction on a very low wattage motor. However, good filtration on this type of machine is almost impossible, hence why almost all upright now have cylinder-style 'clean fan' motors.

In the last few years motor wattage has been increased to compensate for the poor internal design of the vacuum cleaner. This is why the Dyson cleans have -by comparison- low wattage motors, because Dyson cleaners are well designed (if not  fragile) to make best use of the motor.

In addition, most bagless cleaners are little more than a tank with a crappy filter, so need lots of suction to off-set the fact that the filter is liable to clog almost immediatly, thus reducing the cleaning power to very little.

Sadly, the public now perceive cleaners with high wattage motors to be the 'best' (i can see that some of you guys do too), whereas the fact is that they are running up the electrcity bills and are overheating themseleves into the process. A Vacuum cleaner of 2400 watts is using the same power as a tumble-dryer, yet no one considers a vacuum cleaner to be expensive to run. When all is said and done, you have to ask why the likes of Numatic make cleaners with large dustbags and motors rated around 1200 watts. Its because it 'works'.

vacman

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Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2009, 08:47:09 pm »
My wife cleans a house and they have a Miele Cat & Dog and she reckons its a very good machine.

However, am I correct it saying its a cylinder model with a turbo brush?


Yes, it does (or it will have had one when new). But as the suction drops the rotating brushes spin more slowly as there isn't the driving force. The turbo heads are better on pet hair than an ordinary cylinder, but nothing beats a good upright on pet hairs, not really.

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2009, 08:50:01 pm »
At the end of the day, I'm looking for results and at 2400 watts it pulls a hefty punch and leaves my BS36 standing everytime.

Electricity? I'm only using the vac for less than 5 mins per room.....

When I use the BS36 all I can see is the pile be lifted with very little suction, use the Mielle and wow, it's so powerful its like using my triple vac   ;)

vacman

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Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2009, 08:55:06 pm »
re: electricity, when vacuuming houses for the purpose of cleaning the house (and not for the purpose of pre-cleaning a carpet which is about to be cleaned), the vacuum may be running for quite a while, especially if using it to dust surfaces, curtains, etc. Some people also vacuum their houses for several hours a week (in total). That's when the power consumption adds up.

One of the very best cleaners i have ever used was the old Hoover Turbopower; it was rated at 400 watts (due to the design) and had a really good roller brush. The build-quality of the machine was not good, the power on the tools was dire, and the filtration poor, but they didnt half groom carpets when used in 'upright' mode.

Joe H

Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2009, 09:13:10 pm »
Clean Edge
How old and how well used is your BS36?
Could it be the motor is worn and not as efficient a s when new.

Also - the head width on the Sebo is 360mm, what is the head width on the Miele.
Thats important when you are taking the efficiency into account. A wider head is going to be quicker to cover a room.

The rotating head brush on the BS36 is going to help loosen deep soil, lift it to the surface to be vacummed up by the main motor.
How does the Miele assist in the area?

Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: Vacuum Cleaners
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2009, 09:48:53 pm »
Sebo dart2 beats them all 8) 8)
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