[matt]

I hav not transferred over to WFP yet and I like the idea of building my own system but, not knocking this ingenious system, from a presentation point of view would it not be better to have a fancy bought one so you would be taken more seriously, charge more and have more chance of getting commercial contracts? Just a few thoughts, thats all.

very good point glen, however it's all down to budget, mine is a homemade trolley system and i think i'm taken seriously by my customers (least i hope they do)

this is where a little fib comes in 

you tell them that you have spent X amount of money (the more the better ) on a system thats for a bigger van than you have (or if you have a car) then tell them that you are saving for a VAN, BUT youve had this trolley/cart made just to carry the stuff till the you have the van

it works, i know 

[Grafters Cleaning Services]

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this is where a little fib comes in 

you tell them that you have spent X amount of money (the more the better ) on a system thats for a bigger van than you have (or if you have a car) then tell them that you are saving for a VAN, BUT youve had this trolley/cart made just to carry the stuff till the you have the van

it works, i know 

this becoming an interesting thread thanx to matt, it just so happens that i am looking for a bigger van this week, my current van is a suzuki carry van, i've been telling my customers that the system has cost me a small fortune (hasn't really) and also cost me lots to make up the pure water, all this is in preparation for a increase in my prices coming very shortly, the reason i have not put up the prices yet is because i wanted my customers to get used to wfp, i'm now on my second month and all is going well and customers happy with result
PRICE HIKE COMING SOON

[matt]

my purifcation systems costs over 2 GRAND  :

these State of the art, breaking technology systems dont come cheap 

[Jeff Brimble]

Put your site in the A-Z guide and as a stand alone topic over on Pros (as no one else has yet), if thats OK. Well done.

[matt]

cheers Jeff, the more the merrier

help the mass's as they say

[replacement]

Beware, them Makro Batteries are 17 amp's only and will not last a full day's work. Alot of pumps use 7amps per hr and if the battery has only 17amp it will only last 2 and abit hrs fully working. Your far better off getting a proper lesuire battery, yes there heavy but saves having to buy 3-4 of them cheap Makro batteries, plus i picked up a 100 amp Lesuire battery for £48 from local Auto Spares shop.

Justin

[matt]

thats 2 and a bit hours NON STOP

as i have said, i use mine from 8 till 5 on domestic houses, at about 4 ish it starts to struggle now (after a few months of use) BUT for 40 quid (argos) 15 quid (makro special) you cannot go wrong

[AuRavelling79]

Well done matt! Brilliant work!

I've got an Aquatec trolley which is just like your two-barrel system. I too generally work with one barrel (unless doing a commercial) so I have knocked up a battery tray to hold a 75/85ah leisure battery (£30 from Bristol Batteries) in the base of the trolley where the other barrel would go. (In fact you can place the second barrel on top of the leisure battery if you need to, but it does make the set up very heavy.) I also have a remote control to switch the water on and off which is a good water saver.

I also use unger poles - nice and light.

The pump box also has a lever to regulate the flow thru' a by-pass system. (So I set this lower for the top transoms and then up it a bit for the rest of the windows.)

The above mods allow me to get away with 150/200 litres a day (6/8 barrels) on domestic.

I also have bought a vikan 10" brush instead of the one supplied (15") for all my domestic work as it gives better control.

I must say - your system works out at a little under half what I paid for my "ready-made" system - so well done! (Although I don't begrudge Peter - (Aquatec) his profit as he is very helpful and does a lot of "hand-holding" for new bugs)

[replacement]

Matt,
       I am not knocking the site, I think its great. But the simple fact is that Battery states 17 amps. A pump would use 7amps per hr.

Justin

[AuRavelling79]

I agree with you Justin - my system came with the 17 a/h set up and it does die trying and need a lot of re-charging compared with a cheaper leisure battery - it's only saving grace is that it weighs only a few kg compared with 15kg for a leisure battery.

(I'm hoping to use mine (the 17ah) for a home-made back-pack system)

[matt]

im not disputing the leisure battery is a good idea, i have 1 for my new system

BUT i will be honest

my battery last from 8 till 5 on domestic, i park my trolley under the middle of the house at the front, clean the upstairs front, then move it around the rear and do the same

then i walk around the back and do the downstairs the old fashioned way, then the same around the rear

P.haps thats why my battery is lasting all day, i only do upstairs with WFP

[windows_chepstow]

The pump box also has a lever to regulate the flow thru' a by-pass system. (So I set this lower for the top transoms and then up it a bit for the rest of the windows.)

The above mods allow me to get away with 150/200 litres a day (6/8 barrels) on domestic.

MalcG, (or anyone else); I'm reading this post with some interest.  Could you please explain what you mean by regulating the flow lower for the top transoms, and then up a bit for the rest of the windows?  I take it, this is a pure water conservation method?

What's a transom to start with?

Keep it simple mate, I'm a Geordie!

Regards,

Tosh.

[AuRavelling79]

Tosh -

Peter Fogwills (aquatec) trolley system has a removable pump box in which reside the pump, a remote control (like a car alarm) and some hose by-passing the pump to a levered valve  which allows the pump to continue pumping water (avoiding damage) by allowing more or less of it to go through the by-pass loop as you move the lever.

When I clean windows with transoms (the upper, often opening bit of the window.) I set the flow low and scrub all the top panes on one side of the house (transoms), I then "sheet" them - letting water cascade down them to ensure there is no spotting.

Then I do the lower panes of the upper windows - but as these are usually deeper I up the flow rate so that when I "sheet" them there is enough water to sluice them off.

Then I press the remote (on a cord around my neck), switching off the water flow completely (a bit temperamental this) and do the next side of the house in the same way.

Then I do the bottom windows - either as above or blading as I see fit for the particular property.

[matt]

a transom is the bar of wood or plastic that seperate the main bit of the window against the top opening bit

as for the flow rate, i dont touch mine, i guess MalcG turns his down to stop water gathering on the top of the transom and gathering dirt and running down the clean pane of glass ?? ?? ?? though i am sure he will tell you, as im just making a guess

[AuRavelling79]

Exactly, Matt!

[windows_chepstow]

Tosh -

Peter Fogwills (aquatec) trolley system has a removable pump box in which reside the pump, a remote control (like a car alarm) and some hose by-passing the pump to a levered valve  which allows the pump to continue pumping water (avoiding damage) by allowing more or less of it to go through the by-pass loop as you move the lever.

When I clean windows with transoms (the upper, often opening bit of the window.) I set the flow low and scrub all the top panes on one side of the house (transoms), I then "sheet" them - letting water cascade down them to ensure there is no spotting.

Then I do the lower panes of the upper windows - but as these are usually deeper I up the flow rate so that when I "sheet" them there is enough water to sluice them off.

Then I press the remote (on a cord around my neck), switching off the water flow completely (a bit temperamental this) and do the next side of the house in the same way.

Then I do the bottom windows - either as above or blading as I see fit for the particular property.

I've had a couple of lagers.  Hopefully I'll understand the above in the morning.

Night night. 

Regards and thanks for the information.

Tosh.