[martinsadie]

so how many have ther ladders taged ?/

i havnt ,

[tomy jackson]

i ant aming this at any one in pertikuler . if i wos to look at all the ladders in the town how many will be taged ther not going to be many

[ftp]

What's the law for painters and decorators or satellite dish installers, aerial fitters - don't they spend longer up a ladder for each particular job?

[martinsadie]

What's the law for painters and decorators or satellite dish installers, aerial fitters - don't they spend longer up a ladder for each particular job?

they install dishes that low round  here they must use ladders just steps 

[Nathanael Jones]

What's the law for painters and decorators or satellite dish installers, aerial fitters - don't they spend longer up a ladder for each particular job?

For them there is no "Practicable alternative" (Yet) so if they tag their ladders, use all necessary precautions (Ladder stabilisers, stand-offs etc) they are still working within the law as it stands at the moment.

[bad trippy]

WFP is as usless as a dingy with a hole when it comes to removing cement, mastic, grease, paint spots, mineral deposits etc etc, perhaps we should be telling the HSE this if he thinks WFP is the perfect window cleaning tool!!!

[bad trippy]

add egg to that list too

[cozy]

When I posted the pics from a house on 1 of my rounds a couple of days ago, most of the prices were approx 9 to 10 quid. Some guys reconed they could do this house in about 10 to 15 minutes. So it seems if I take 15 minutes to clean it and a WFP guy with setting up and packing away is only about 5 minutes faster, then what's the difference in a day if I work about 4 hours? 30 minutes? Who cares?

I intend to nip over to holland and "run" a day with Pingu to see if it's what I can use. The problem with my rounds is this:

I have compact rounds of sqúaddie houses in Germany. If enough of my custies don't like WFP I can't just canvass some other area like you guys in UK can. So it's a risk I will have to take if I go WFP.

I don't need ladders for German custies because they are all cleaned from the inside, (windows ALL open inwards, what a silly idea eh?) so I don't need WFP to replace ladders.

I have had my ladder slip from underneath me once in 20 years, twisted my ankle. I was new to the game and have learned to be more carefull since then.

I know everyone can charge what they like in this business, however, you will be cutting your own throat if you did a job twice as fast for half the price.

Might be worth remembering that IMO.

Because I generally work 4 to 4 and a half hours a day I don't feel knackered at the days end.

I'll get my coat shall I?

[tomy jackson]

sat men anker ther ladders to the wall and use standof device as do the the bill bord posers just have a look , and the rest shud as shud window cleaners , how many buileders use scafilldeng when we kowe thay shud ,rownd this way ther wer 17 in cort in a clamp down

[Totus]

I been thinking about dumping the ladders as the law of averages says i'll come a cropper at some point, either that or my knees are gonna be screwed in the next 10-15 years!! So was thinking of going WFP but worried about losing customers especially in current climate. I do about £200 per day 8.30-5.30 doing it traditionally, what could I do ££££ wise with a WFP you guys?

Have given serious thought about changing but wondered:

How you clean the windows that people leave open at the top during the day, especially as (hopefully!!!) the good weather will be upon us soon?

Although most of my custys are UPVC i still have about 25-30%  that have powder coated metal frames, metal frames, wooden frames, and crittle windows. Are windows like this still able to be cleaned or will I have to seriously consider binning them? I 've worked bloody hard building this up so it's a big step.

Would more than appreciate some good honest feedback here from you WFP'ers.

Cheers.

Neil

[kris martin]

I been thinking about dumping the ladders as the law of averages says i'll come a cropper at some point, either that or my knees are gonna be screwed in the next 10-15 years!! So was thinking of going WFP but worried about losing customers especially in current climate. I do about £200 per day 8.30-5.30 doing it traditionally, what could I do ££££ wise with a WFP you guys?

Have given serious thought about changing but wondered:

How you clean the windows that people leave open at the top during the day, especially as (hopefully!!!) the good weather will be upon us soon?

Although most of my custys are UPVC i still have about 25-30%  that have powder coated metal frames, metal frames, wooden frames, and crittle windows. Are windows like this still able to be cleaned or will I have to seriously consider binning them? I 've worked bloody hard building this up so it's a big step.

Would more than appreciate some good honest feedback here from you WFP'ers.

Cheers.

Neil




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just change, take the plunge i did Aand i would not look back, WFP is not quite as wonderful as somee wwould say but it does generally do a good job and as long as your regular they should be quite easy to clean even the metal frames (after a few cleans), its so nice knowing your not going to work and today could be that unlucky day, you will loose some work but i honestly dont think you would loose that much i didnt.
 some people are just that stuck in their ways they will just not give it a chance even if their windows are spotless

kris

[Ian_Giles]

Neil,

A well put question, but you really need to put that in a different post or start a new topic as this thread is about WFP and HSE.
I am sure many will reply to you on this thread, but that will hijack it away from it's initial thrust.

And other posters; please keep your replies pertinent to the thread, this is potentially a very argumentative thread So I'll be watching this one closely, over a page of replies already deleted.

Ian

[Totus]

Fair Play. I'll start it off as a main topic. Apologies

Neil.

[Ian_Giles]

Thanks Neil 

Ian

[PaulTh]

awww i want to read the deleted replies lol, i had my tongue firmly in cheek as i made the first post as i was sure it would stir up a hornets nest and hopefully reeducate the window cleaners who are feeding the public false information,although it seems from some posts that certain window cleaners know more about this law than the people who made it and the people who enforce it(funny that).I agree that a WFP system has a great many benefits but as i only have a few customers at the moment i wouldnt say it good business sense to plough money into buying a system untill i have enough work,it was just that while out canvassing a few people i had got talking to had said about ladders being banned and how a window cleaner had told them this,i just dont think it is right that window cleaners are spreading this about as it has potential to hurt trad cleaners buisiness potential.

[Nathanael Jones]

The law is the law,.. just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less the law!

Yes, I agree that this can hurt trad cleaners businesses, so my personal approach is to tell the cleaners not the custies. I only say it to custies when they ask or question my use of WFP, in which case I explain the legailites as part of my reason for switching.

[gary999]

ive never said to one customer ladders are banned a there is always
a chance to you might have to use them at some point.i tell customers
the benefits of cleaning with wfp for them and the main one for myself
which is....it is safer.

[Moderator David@stives]

Ladders are not banned

Ladders can still be used where it is reasonably practicable.

Which means  time over cost and effort.

If you still use ladders that is your choice and it isnt illegal.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/april.htm


Myth: HSE has banned stepladders
April 2007The reality
We have not banned stepladders - nor have we banned ladders! Despite this, the allegation is regularly repeated and some firms have fallen for the myth and acted upon it.

For straightforward, short duration work stepladders and ladders can be a good option, but you wouldn’t want to be wobbling about on them doing complex tasks for long periods. A large number of workers are seriously injured or killed using ladders and stepladders each year. So:

Yes - we want people to use the right equipment for the job.
Yes - there are some common-sense rules for using them safely.
But no - we have not banned them!

[Moderator David@stives]

http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/window.htm

[PaulTh]

Nice one Dave a link straight from the horses mouth i think thats half the forum been put straight now.