[Peter Fogwill]

I've never used either of these poles, but my clampless Harris pole is the fastest and lightest pole I have ever used. I have put the clip of me using it back onto youtube under 'clampless pole' if anyone wants to see for themselves. 

Groundhog, I was thinking of giving it a try, but I hate it when the pole twists when I'm brushing, one second the brush is on the glass, the next I'm cleaning with the stock. How do you stop this from happening?
I do love that Harris pole though.

Dai, it cost me more than £10,000 to stop this happening, but you can stop it happening for much less, all you have to do is buy one of mines.

Peter

[macmac]

So, for everyday domestic work Petes pole gets the work done quicker?

Kevin

Of course not, you work much faster with a lighter more rigid pole. Seriously though, how long does it take to open a clamp.

Tim I would agree with you if you only opened a clamp a couple of times per day, but have a think about how many times a day you actually do it.  And when you have opened your clamp and you are manually opening or closing your pole, have a think how many times your doing that in a day, and how much time is waisted.  And while we are at it think about the times you are struggling to get your pole from one side of a washing line to the other, because you don't want to waist the time lowering your pole and putting it up again.  It all mounts up.

Obviously I am not going to sell a pole to everyone, people will have their own reasons not to buy.  If people want to earn a reduced amount per hour then that is up to them, but the poles will be available to the people who want to earn more per hour than they are just now.

Peter

I would say if people are losing money due to operating clamps then they would have a more seriouse problem with their round/pricing to begin with!

[4Seasons]

I've never used either of these poles, but my clampless Harris pole is the fastest and lightest pole I have ever used. I have put the clip of me using it back onto youtube under 'clampless pole' if anyone wants to see for themselves. 

Groundhog, I was thinking of giving it a try, but I hate it when the pole twists when I'm brushing, one second the brush is on the glass, the next I'm cleaning with the stock. How do you stop this from happening?
I do love that Harris pole though.

Dai, it cost me more than £10,000 to stop this happening, but you can stop it happening for much less, all you have to do is buy one of mines.

Peter

Are you saying you have a newly designed clampless pole which now prevents the brush spinning freely?
If so any chance of pictures.

[Jeff Brimble]

I know he has stopped the spinning, thats what we are all waiting for, the spinning you can get used to but I didnt like it, but the method seems to be the fastest telescopic pole out there. I suppose we have to be patient.

[Peter Fogwill]

So, for everyday domestic work Petes pole gets the work done quicker?

Kevin

Of course not, you work much faster with a lighter more rigid pole. Seriously though, how long does it take to open a clamp.

Tim I would agree with you if you only opened a clamp a couple of times per day, but have a think about how many times a day you actually do it.  And when you have opened your clamp and you are manually opening or closing your pole, have a think how many times your doing that in a day, and how much time is waisted.  And while we are at it think about the times you are struggling to get your pole from one side of a washing line to the other, because you don't want to waist the time lowering your pole and putting it up again.  It all mounts up.

Obviously I am not going to sell a pole to everyone, people will have their own reasons not to buy.  If people want to earn a reduced amount per hour then that is up to them, but the poles will be available to the people who want to earn more per hour than they are just now.

Peter

I would say if people are losing money due to operating clamps then they would have a more serious problem with their round/pricing to begin with!

I would put more emphasis on earning more money, than loosing money.  You don't need to have a serious problem with your round or business to want to earn more money per hour.  Don't tell me you wouldn't like to earn more per hour?

Peter

[matt]

ref stopping the pole spinning

the pole just needs to not be round, a oval pole will now spin

or is this a secret ? ? ?

[Peter Fogwill]

I've never used either of these poles, but my clampless Harris pole is the fastest and lightest pole I have ever used. I have put the clip of me using it back onto youtube under 'clampless pole' if anyone wants to see for themselves. 

Groundhog, I was thinking of giving it a try, but I hate it when the pole twists when I'm brushing, one second the brush is on the glass, the next I'm cleaning with the stock. How do you stop this from happening?
I do love that Harris pole though.

Dai, it cost me more than £10,000 to stop this happening, but you can stop it happening for much less, all you have to do is buy one of mines.

Peter

Are you saying you have a newly designed clampless pole which now prevents the brush spinning freely?
If so any chance of pictures.

Yes the pole doesn't spin now.  I have not bothered with pictures of the new pole as you wouldn't even see in the pictures the parts that stop the spinning.  I will have the pole at the fed trade show towards the end of the year.

It has taken a long time to get it right, that is now two years since I first applied for the Patent. No doubt there will be previews before long.  

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

ref stopping the pole spinning

the pole just needs to not be round, a oval pole will now spin

or is this a secret ? ? ?

Your right Matt an oval pole won't spin, and is something I covered in my initial Patent application, but it has it's complications.

There is no secret to how mines works, it can be looked up at the Patent office.

Peter

[kevin James]

So, for everyday domestic work Petes pole gets the work done quicker?

Kevin

Of course not, you work much faster with a lighter more rigid pole. Seriously though, how long does it take to open a clamp.

Tim I would agree with you if you only opened a clamp a couple of times per day, but have a think about how many times a day you actually do it.  And when you have opened your clamp and you are manually opening or closing your pole, have a think how many times your doing that in a day, and how much time is waisted.  And while we are at it think about the times you are struggling to get your pole from one side of a washing line to the other, because you don't want to waist the time lowering your pole and putting it up again.  It all mounts up.

Obviously I am not going to sell a pole to everyone, people will have their own reasons not to buy.  If people want to earn a reduced amount per hour then that is up to them, but the poles will be available to the people who want to earn more per hour than they are just now.

Peter

I would say if people are losing money due to operating clamps then they would have a more seriouse problem with their round/pricing to begin with!

Hi,
How many domestic houses do you do in a day?
Currently I'm between 25 & 30. Thats a lot of poling. Everytime I see a possibility of speed increase, I grab it. And so far I've doubled my daily income inside a year.
If you sit still its not piles of dosh you end up with!
Kevin

[macmac]

So, for everyday domestic work Petes pole gets the work done quicker?

Kevin

Of course not, you work much faster with a lighter more rigid pole. Seriously though, how long does it take to open a clamp.

Tim I would agree with you if you only opened a clamp a couple of times per day, but have a think about how many times a day you actually do it.  And when you have opened your clamp and you are manually opening or closing your pole, have a think how many times your doing that in a day, and how much time is waisted.  And while we are at it think about the times you are struggling to get your pole from one side of a washing line to the other, because you don't want to waist the time lowering your pole and putting it up again.  It all mounts up.

Obviously I am not going to sell a pole to everyone, people will have their own reasons not to buy.  If people want to earn a reduced amount per hour then that is up to them, but the poles will be available to the people who want to earn more per hour than they are just now.

Peter

I would say if people are losing money due to operating clamps then they would have a more seriouse problem with their round/pricing to begin with!

Hi,
How many domestic houses do you do in a day?
Currently I'm between 25 & 30. Thats a lot of poling. Everytime I see a possibility of speed increase, I grab it. And so far I've doubled my daily income inside a year.
If you sit still its not piles of dosh you end up with!
Kevin

No, you just become a busy fool I've never done 25 to 30 houses in one day, ever! and i never intend to either

[kevin James]

Wisdom is seen by it's results. The boffins reckon 2 more years before we have economic recovery. So a lot more people are going to be on reduced income. That would be mine & your customers. I expect to lose between 10 & 20% of mine. So if I have a large number to begin with then I hope to withstand the coming rigours.
Best to be prepared and whynot work hard & efficiently between 8.15 & 5.30?

Kevin.

[macmac]

Wisdom is seen by it's results. The boffins reckon 2 more years before we have economic recovery. So a lot more people are going to be on reduced income. That would be mine & your customers. I expect to lose between 10 & 20% of mine. So if I have a large number to begin with then I hope to withstand the coming rigours.
Best to be prepared and whynot work hard & efficiently between 8.15 & 5.30?

Kevin.

Yeah, but for me i don't think i would benefit from a clampless pole. we'll have to wait & see what others reckon first. I'm always aware of innovation for the sake of it, there could be one bennefit to a product that also produces many downsides.

[kevin James]

Good point. Probably having a few brushes on hand is the ideal answer. Price comes into it as well. I have some long reaches over extensions that mean I have to rest the pole on the tiles. For these I use  2 x 12 ft alloy omnipoles cos I knownthey won't damage yet they're to heavy for normal domestics. Petes pole, I believe, is under £200 for a 30 footer. Worth a trial.

Kevin.

[matt]

ref stopping the pole spinning

the pole just needs to not be round, a oval pole will now spin

or is this a secret ? ? ?

Your right Matt an oval pole won't spin, and is something I covered in my initial Patent application, but it has it's complications.

There is no secret to how mines works, it can be looked up at the Patent office.

Peter

sorry peter, i didnt mean to offend you

i just couldnt see what the issue was with spinning poles, as the answer was to be a off round ( oval-ish ) pole

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

I`ll bet that clampless pole is an RSI sufferers nightmare.

You don't have to flick the pole up the way you imagine or the way you have seen on the video.  I have a few older customers who don't do it this way, they either pull it to size and then lift it up, or they hook the brush on something and pull it out to size, then lift it up.

You still have all the time saving benefits and convenience of closing the pole instantly.

Peter

i do it that way, pull it out...less of the older though pete

[Peter Fogwill]

So, for everyday domestic work Petes pole gets the work done quicker?

Kevin

Of course not, you work much faster with a lighter more rigid pole. Seriously though, how long does it take to open a clamp.

Tim I would agree with you if you only opened a clamp a couple of times per day, but have a think about how many times a day you actually do it.  And when you have opened your clamp and you are manually opening or closing your pole, have a think how many times your doing that in a day, and how much time is waisted.  And while we are at it think about the times you are struggling to get your pole from one side of a washing line to the other, because you don't want to waist the time lowering your pole and putting it up again.  It all mounts up.

Obviously I am not going to sell a pole to everyone, people will have their own reasons not to buy.  If people want to earn a reduced amount per hour then that is up to them, but the poles will be available to the people who want to earn more per hour than they are just now.

Peter

I would say if people are losing money due to operating clamps then they would have a more seriouse problem with their round/pricing to begin with!

Hi,
How many domestic houses do you do in a day?
Currently I'm between 25 & 30. Thats a lot of poling. Everytime I see a possibility of speed increase, I grab it. And so far I've doubled my daily income inside a year.
If you sit still its not piles of dosh you end up with!
Kevin

No, you just become a busy fool I've never done 25 to 30 houses in one day, ever! and i never intend to either

Not necessarily, it depends a great deal on efficiency, someone can be doing 25-30 houses per day and be working less hours than you.  Who would the busy fool be?

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

ref stopping the pole spinning

the pole just needs to not be round, a oval pole will now spin

or is this a secret ? ? ?

Your right Matt an oval pole won't spin, and is something I covered in my initial Patent application, but it has it's complications.

There is no secret to how mines works, it can be looked up at the Patent office.

Peter

sorry peter, i didnt mean to offend you

i just couldnt see what the issue was with spinning poles, as the answer was to be a off round ( oval-ish ) pole

No offence taken Matt. 

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

I`ll bet that clampless pole is an RSI sufferers nightmare.

You don't have to flick the pole up the way you imagine or the way you have seen on the video.  I have a few older customers who don't do it this way, they either pull it to size and then lift it up, or they hook the brush on something and pull it out to size, then lift it up.

You still have all the time saving benefits and convenience of closing the pole instantly.

Peter

i do it that way, pull it out...less of the older though pete

Sorry about that, I should have said scrimman, and a few of my older customers

Peter

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

LOL

you are right though pete, i am an old man now, can you invent something where i can clean the windows from a wheelchair or my bed ( dont post a pic of a cherrypicker) 

[macmac]

So, for everyday domestic work Petes pole gets the work done quicker?

Kevin

Of course not, you work much faster with a lighter more rigid pole. Seriously though, how long does it take to open a clamp.

Tim I would agree with you if you only opened a clamp a couple of times per day, but have a think about how many times a day you actually do it.  And when you have opened your clamp and you are manually opening or closing your pole, have a think how many times your doing that in a day, and how much time is waisted.  And while we are at it think about the times you are struggling to get your pole from one side of a washing line to the other, because you don't want to waist the time lowering your pole and putting it up again.  It all mounts up.

Obviously I am not going to sell a pole to everyone, people will have their own reasons not to buy.  If people want to earn a reduced amount per hour then that is up to them, but the poles will be available to the people who want to earn more per hour than they are just now.

Peter

I would say if people are losing money due to operating clamps then they would have a more seriouse problem with their round/pricing to begin with!

Hi,
How many domestic houses do you do in a day?
Currently I'm between 25 & 30. Thats a lot of poling. Everytime I see a possibility of speed increase, I grab it. And so far I've doubled my daily income inside a year.
If you sit still its not piles of dosh you end up with!
Kevin

No, you just become a busy fool I've never done 25 to 30 houses in one day, ever! and i never intend to either

Not necessarily, it depends a great deal on efficiency, someone can be doing 25-30 houses per day and be working less hours than you.  Who would the busy fool be?

Peter

They would & that's the point!