[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

spot on, we will never be millionaires nor do want to be (well most of us) if we really were in this business for serious money then we would establish a national company serving the nations big names etc, but as far as i can tell most of us are content doing 3 or 4 days a week and paying the bills with a couple of quid left over for a few wee luxuries

[sam peafield]

?

[Clive McDonald]

I feel a bit of a heel now, some good answers given. Lee the reason we earn low is so as not to encourage  even start ups

[Niall McAllister]

  "this time next year Rodney"

Don't worry about what people earn.
work out the min you need.
personal expences + business expences + 25% of pers and bus together for tax.
get a rough fig for year then break it down till you get an hourly rate that you need to achieve.
that's all that matters to you

[gerard mcmanus]

spot on, we will never be millionaires

it makes me really angry when I see people posting there opinions as fact, some will never learn.

Daily mail

A millionaire businessman last night claimed his marriage had been wrecked by ... Dumped John, director of a window cleaning business, said: "When I found

I also watched one of these shows that follow people buying and selling homes and seen a guy on there that owns a million pound window cleaning and million pound cleaning company. Don’t be narrow minded, yes most just get by and are only interested in a living, but a minority have the vision to excel. There is no limits to what you can achieve if you try hard enough and long enough.

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

spot on, we will never be millionaires

it makes me really angry when I see people posting there opinions as fact, some will never learn.

Daily mail

A millionaire businessman last night claimed his marriage had been wrecked by ... Dumped John, director of a window cleaning business, said: "When I found

I also watched one of these shows that follow people buying and selling homes and seen a guy on there that owns a million pound window cleaning and million pound cleaning company. Don’t be narrow minded, yes most just get by and are only interested in a living, but a minority have the vision to excel. There is no limits to what you can achieve if you try hard enough and long enough.

you forgot to add the real facts to your post, or did it suit your post to edit the facts, lol. here is the original post from me.

"spot on, we will never be millionaires nor do want to be (well most of us)"

you obviously are the exception as you seem pretty determined to me

[peter holley]

spot on, we will never be millionaires

it makes me really angry when I see people posting there opinions as fact, some will never learn.

Daily mail

A millionaire businessman last night claimed his marriage had been wrecked by ... Dumped John, director of a window cleaning business, said: "When I found

I also watched one of these shows that follow people buying and selling homes and seen a guy on there that owns a million pound window cleaning and million pound cleaning company. Don’t be narrow minded, yes most just get by and are only interested in a living, but a minority have the vision to excel. There is no limits to what you can achieve if you try hard enough and long enough.

ditch the ladders and go wfp.... you reach your dream quicker ...lol

[gerard mcmanus]

Still Ewan is making out there like its impossible, which is not true and you agreed by saying spot on, however I did miss read that slightly and apologize, i read that as most dont want to be, as suposed to most wont nor want to be, but my original post there is valid.

As I have shown it also can be backed up with examples. I would like to see that arrogance from Ewan by saying "Millionaire LOL" if someone came on and said, I started out as a window cleaner, and am a millionaire now, through my business endeavours.

[gerard mcmanus]

spot on, we will never be millionaires

it makes me really angry when I see people posting there opinions as fact, some will never learn.

Daily mail

A millionaire businessman last night claimed his marriage had been wrecked by ... Dumped John, director of a window cleaning business, said: "When I found

I also watched one of these shows that follow people buying and selling homes and seen a guy on there that owns a million pound window cleaning and million pound cleaning company. Don’t be narrow minded, yes most just get by and are only interested in a living, but a minority have the vision to excel. There is no limits to what you can achieve if you try hard enough and long enough.

ditch the ladders and go wfp.... you reach your dream quicker ...lol

from what I understand, although faster, and higher takings, our end profits mights not be that different.

[gerard mcmanus]

you should have put, you'll reach and wash your dreams quicker! 

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

fair enuff

my point is that i reckon that 99% of the guys on here will NEVER be millionaires simply due to the fact they either ( have no desire to be or have not got a credible business plan to make it happen ) there are millionaire window cleaners, fact, but only 2 that know personally, and they have made their cash by doing a mixture of services like other cleaning services, property management and the like. so your point is perfectly valid that it is POSSIBLE for SOME but not ALL

[gerard mcmanus]

Well in that case, I fully comprehend what is takes to earn 1 mil, by my calcs, 40 employees each on there own vehicle, each doing around 2k takings a month(4 weekly), will get you 100k a year (add in your own earnings) over ten years as you say. Well I think that might about do it.

And I am not saying you would have to stick to window cleaning either, there are plenty of business that will turn over 100g profit, not easy no, not by any means, but not impossible, and certainly not out of my comprehension Ewan.

[gerard mcmanus]

ok,

each employee

70 custies per week, average of £7 per job
£25,480 per year sales
£4,330.30 expenses
£21,149.70 gross
pay them what you like, for the sake of this example say £15,642.90.
leaving £5506.80, take off 1429.88 for emplyers nic comt,
giving you £4076.92 profit per employee.
or £40,000 for every ten employees, so...
160,000 profit from 40 employees, I hope your abacus is keeping up here.
Now if I also earn 25,480 per year sales, thats £185,480 per year, me and 40 employees. After my own expenses and getting hammered on tax, it will leave over 100k, even if they take 100k tax and leave 85k for me, it would still be done in under 15 years.

So now I have again backed up my coments...

I think you need a new calculator 

can you do the same.

[Niall McAllister]

ok,

each employee

70 custies per week, average of £7 per job
£25,480 per year sales
£4,330.30 expenses
£21,149.70 gross
pay them what you like, for the sake of this example say £15,642.90.
leaving £5506.80, take off 1429.88 for emplyers nic comt,
giving you £4076.92 profit per employee.
or £40,000 for every ten employees, so...
160,000 profit from 40 employees, I hope your abacus is keeping up here.
Now if I also earn 25,480 per year sales, thats £185,480 per year, me and 40 employees. After my own expenses and getting hammered on tax, it will leave over 100k, even if they take 100k tax and leave 85k for me, it would still be done in under 15 years.

So now I have again backed up my coments...

I think you need a new calculator 

can you do the same.

why would you want to earn that much and not spend any of it.
surely the point is to make enough to enjoy your self and not just to earn for earnings sake

[gerard mcmanus]

ewan I know your are not having a go, I am just backing up my statement, and neil its just an example to show that it can be done, if you are honest I am sure you could come up with a few reasons yourself. I would rather give my children a life I never had, than waste it on mine, or maybe just for an early retirement, who knows.

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

not that old chestnut reason (to give my kids a better start in life/ a better future/give them what i didnt have) : (not having a dig BTW)

i want that too, but i aint gonna work myself into an early grave to achieve it and miss out on these more important things (kids/family etc) while i am working my fingers to the bone to get my 1st million.

 

[dai]

I price as per unit, as Ian said in an earlier post. I find it really difficult to estimate how long a job will take even after all these years.
I have counted the units, and estimated in my head how long it would take to do a job, and been miles out with my reckoning.
Take the £1 per window as a case in point, we all know there are windows and windows. A commercial job with easy access, and rows of 4ft square single paned windows in nice plastic frames, you would absolutely fly through these WFP. You come across other windows that have vents in the crossbar below the top opener, these will take so much longer.
Pricing is an art in itself, there are so many variables, even guys with vast experience can still get it wrong sometimes, we are increasingly faced with PVC windows that have started chalking, it's easy to forget to check for this out of enthusiasm, when pricing up what looks like a prime job.
Which ever method you use when pricing, a little bit extra should be added for the unforeseen.
There is nothing as unprofessional as abandoning a job after the first clean because we screwed up on price.

[gerard mcmanus]

What ever your reasons for it, is beside the point. You can live on the dole and have all the time in the world for your family, but for me I couldn't live a life without the aspiration to better myself. I accept my failures with my success however small, and am not ignorant to the possibilities. I know what ever I aim for in life will not come easy or without effort, but hard work won’t scare me off, I would rather try and fail than never to have tried at all. I know some people better off than others and they work less hours, so the more you earn the more you work isn't always fitting.

I have given good points to how it is possible to become a millionaire in defence of my pervious post, and I don’t intend to start debating the reasons why you would want to, mainly because I think it would be ridiculous.

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

ok, agreed

[Clive McDonald]

good for you ladder/gardener. these earning's are fairly modest and would not make you a millionaire. VAT and other factors intervene.You forgot for instance that you needed twenty vans for your forty blokes etc. You also buy houses car's for personal useetc.

Most get rich by selling a business.