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alboy

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hourly rate
« on: March 20, 2009, 04:55:08 pm »
hi there, people say when working out quotes by there hourly rate, this what i have been doing based on £20 pound an hour! do you think this is realistic? or more or less? thanks again?

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 05:01:01 pm »
hi there, people say when working out quotes by there hourly rate, this what i have been doing based on £20 pound an hour! do you think this is realistic? or more or less? thanks again?

More.
Mind you, I have quoted lower than that when I know the first clean will be bad on a job I really want.  I've quoted low because I know I will claw that back and a lot more as I get to the third clean.  A job I still have that worked out around £18 an hour on the first clean pays me a lot more than that now I've got the hard graft out of the way.  I won't say how much more because some on here get upset when we talk about numbers.

DASERVICES

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 05:32:16 pm »
£30 - £50

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 06:12:55 pm »
he asked hourly not daily,no one earns that kind of money, you licensed people would soon have a shock if you didn't have your closed shop agreements with councils.

HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2009, 06:47:12 pm »
i agree, i only average around 6 quid an hour on a good day ::)

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2009, 06:54:52 pm »
Some can earn £30+/hr because they do a good job fast. You have to charge what the job is worth, not how long it takes. When I started I was about 6 times slower than I am now. If I was charging £20/hr then I'd be getting £120/hr now.

Simon.

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 07:06:17 pm »
It really does vary. Do the maths is the best answer.

How much do you need to earn, how much are your running costs?
Be realistic and don't undercharge, imagine how long the job will take and away you go...

As you get fast you should earn more, and second time you do a job you'll be quicker than the first, and so on

geefree

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 07:21:01 pm »
im still on £3 per hour like most of us on here. ???

trevor perry

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 07:25:30 pm »
im still on £3 per hour like most of us on here. ???
not another one bragging about his earnings  ;D ;D
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Lee Pryor

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 07:29:50 pm »
I almost cant believe what im reading here!!!!!!!

How is it possible to only do £3 or £6 an hour?

one of my teams, which consist of 2 men in a reach and wash van average an hourly turnover of £85.00 across a 7 hour day every day.

When I started as a traditional window cleaner on my own I still turned over £20.00 an hour.

something must be wrong somewhere. I think i would have given up.
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

Ian_Giles

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 07:32:43 pm »
Don't charge by the hour!!

Break down windows into a unit cost.

Then it is just a case of walking around a job, counting up the windows, breaking them down into what you consider to be a unit and multiply by whatever you have allowed as your unit cost.

It makes pricing far more accurate and takes out a large element of 'guess-timation' from the equation.

If you are fairly new to the game then you need to know what the average time it takes for an experienced window cleaner to clean your average window.

In basic terms, an average casement window, about 45" tall and about the same in width, with 3 panes of glass, one narrow opening light above a single fixed pane, and a longer opening pane to the one side will take approx 90 seconds to clean, including any detailing thats needed.
And that is to a good standard including the sills wiped down properly.

Oh, the above is for trad window cleaning, but generally, even if WFP, it is best to price up as for trad.

AS Simon said, to begin with you will be miles slower than someone experienced, but these are the people you are pricing against, so you need to be competitive...
AS your skills and speed increase then so do your earnings.

What you charge per window (or unit) is up to you, and is also to a degree governed by your location in the country.
My own unit charge is £1.00, and my rate - per - minute - worked is also £1.00

This does not mean earnings of £60 an hour...not by any stretch of the imagination...there is a world of difference between the rate - per - minute - worked and what you eventually earn per hour.

The rate per minute is the time taken when you are actually at the windows cleaning them, no  allowance for talking to customers, setting up or putting away or driving between jobs, or time off because of the weather/holidays/sickness/breakdowns and so on.

I'm WFP so my time per window is more like 30 seconds rather than 90 seconds and an average semi will take me around 10 minutes to actually 'clean'...but there is no way I will average 6 semi's an hour!!!!

Mr average on a good day will ...er...average about 3 0r 4 an hour over a full days work, oh, and for most an average days work will rarely be more than 6 hours before he (or she) is heading off home. That isn't to say many don't work considerably longer hours, we often work much longer ourselves (6am starts and 5pm finishes).

Something else to ALWAYS remember is that your hourly turnover rate (perceived not actual!!) is not your wage! it is your business income/turnover from which you take your wage....

Have a minimum charge and over and above that, price per unit and NOT per hour.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Lee Pryor

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 07:39:21 pm »
Ian I think thats great advice.

I too price the windows in the same way, we count each verticle section.

You must have a minimum price also.

Once you have fine tuned this method of pricing there is no danger of under pricing and i makes for much more consistant earnings
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2009, 07:39:55 pm »
he asked hourly not daily,no one earns that kind of money, you licensed people would soon have a shock if you didn't have your closed shop agreements with councils.
hardly closed shop. anyone that is serious about their business can apply for a license. and if you are a hard worker then £30 to £50 per cleaning hr is very do able, but you have to take into account the driving that works out at £0 per hr.

jonisondell

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2009, 07:51:18 pm »
im based on roughly 5/6  pounds per hour

AuRavelling79

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2009, 08:27:44 pm »
There is a lot of boasting on here! £85 per hour! I reckon I do well to get £8.50 per hour!

I did once work a 12 hour day and make £100 once this year, mind. ::)
It's a game of three halves!

WCE

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2009, 08:50:50 pm »
I almost cant believe what im reading here!!!!!!!

How is it possible to only do £3 or £6 an hour?

Let me think about that, could it be they are taking the mick? £1.50 per hour thats my limit  ;D ;D ;D
WCE- For Windows that shine everytime!

Lee Pryor

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2009, 09:01:32 pm »
dig all you like guys. Im not on here to entertain snotty people. I dont remember saying I made £85.00 an hour at all. Im in business to make money not graft my arse of all day for the minimum wage.
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

geefree

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2009, 09:10:20 pm »
I Thought we all were on £3 per hour....

 ;)....

dont you just hate topics like these.  ;)

DaveG

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Re: hourly rate
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2009, 09:15:01 pm »
wouldnt get out of bed for £3 an hour my goal is £4 an hour
You can't polish a turd

cozy

Re: hourly rate
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2009, 09:25:34 pm »
Don't worry if you are on a low hourly rate, earning a lot of money just gives you more problems.
Look at my problems for instance, I lost the keys to my Ferrari, that blocked my drive and I couldn't get any of my other 4 cars out, which I needed to get to the airport to fly to Dubai to put a quote in for that funny shaped hotel with a heli pad on top.
That lost me another couple of zillion  ;D ;D ;D