[Darryl]

I did a house that has white P.V.C frames, and black seals.

You know perished rubber, leaving stains on the frame. This one was a real stinker, as it is the first clean in years.

I did find cleaning the rubber first with meths helped. But its hard to justify the time spent.


Any ideas for the future??

[Ian_Giles]

The rubber seal have oxidized Darryl, I found the only way to cope with them was to  wash with applicator very carefully, try not to 'wash' any of the seals themselves, stay just shy of all the edges, squeegee neatly and don't do any detailing, and whatever you do DON'T TOUCH THE RUBBER SEALS WITH YOU SCRIM!!!

Use your squeegee to blade off any access water on the frames.

I'm sure you would have found that it is using the scrim (or microfibre) that made it a nightmare, and that even the lightest touch between scrim-seal-window frame left a horrible black mark that was next to impossible to get rid of

These are usually windows that catch the full sunlight, often those on the other side of the house are not to bad.
Explain to the customer that the sunlight has caused the rubber seals to perish and oxidize and appologise profusely and tell them that you dare not detail the edges with your cloth as it will make the most awful marks on the frame that cannot be removed (Yes yes, I know, with things like T cut and so on you can get them off, but its easier if the customer thinks it is next to imposible to do so)
So they may see the odd little mark on the edges of the window.

I now use WFP, so this isn't a problem now, doesn't seem to happen with WFP, but that might depend on how badly perished the rubber seals are, I've only come across a couple with my WFP, and they had not gone to badly.

And don't get your applicator to wet either!!

Ian

[gaza]

I get around this problem quite easy by explaining from the outset that on first clean there may be a 8th inch dirty strip around the out side of the window when ive finished 1st clean ,but soak the frame and window +the seal cleaning window as normal.Explaining why its there by saying have you ever cleaned a car rubbed the windows with a cloth and wondererd were the big black marks on the rag have come from,well ill tell you from the seal to your window,100 % say yeah that happened to me.Then I explain that its rubberized
and that it will spread on to the frames and is a devil to get of the white frames and they remain stained + theres dirt behind the seals that need to come out,so in my experiece I
do t this way and second clean they will be spotless,works everytime cus youve been honest with them even though you carnt be bothered to make them 100% on 1st clean,as long as you do what you say your going to do 2nd clean

[rosskesava]

I've found that on those frames I use two cloths.

One I wipe around the frame with including the black stuff and get all the black sh*t on that one cloth which then does not get used again for obvoius reasons after finishing the whole property.

Then I do all the other windows and after a minute or two the seal and the glass is dry on the windows I did a minute before.

Then I go back around the glass and detail on those windows that are 'dry'  carefully with the other cloth and don't go near the black seal as best I can. It takes a little more time but not much.

The black water that runs down the frame in the corners, usually there is a black mark or stain already. I just then wipe that and do the best I can but I don't spend any extra time doing so other than the usual.

For the first clean. I explain it to the customer and usually they know about it without me saying so and even if they don't - just show them.