[Clean 'n' Tidy]

Hi,

Advice needed please. I have been wondering if people are not using bleach then what is the best way to clean a white sink with tea stains over it.

If someone has a solution please can you let me know. I am trying to get away from these kind of products, but as of yet have not found anything that will clean the sinks.

Rgds
Kim

[The Great One]

Hi

for me and heavily tea stained sinks it is 'bar keepers friend'. works a treat every time.

Regards

Martin

[DP]

Yup,  I have to go along with that as well, if you cant find it just look on ebay (although its usually around somewhere). I absolutely hate bleach.

[Jan K]

i agree with dp and martin

[Fox]

Whats wrong with bleach?  I happen to think that this is a great product.  (Yes I understand the H&S issues before anyone jumps in!)

Some sites are happy to have it others aren't but I think as long as it is stored and used properly there isn't a problem and isn't this the case with other chemicals that we all use, acid based toilet cleaners for a start?!

Bar keepers friend and shiny sinks are both good products and will do the job instead of bleach but I'd tend to use these for scale problems etc rather than tea stains.  Bleach and a scourer - can't beat it! 

Fox

[DP]

Fox, What are you on!!!!!

You do do realise your supposed to clean with it not sniff it, besides as a blonde I expect you to be bias about this product.

We are talking professional cleaning as in offices here - not salons.

 

[Fox]

Ha ha - very funny (not!) You and the horse you rode in on DP! 

Go check under your kitchen sink and see if you have a bottle of bleach - £5 says you have and if you come back and say no I might just accuse you of telling porkie pies!

[Tim Downer]

Why is it that every cleaning supplier i go to sells Bleach then??
Even give me a COSHH sheet aswell when asked for it??

Regards

Tim

P.S have founf that if i use bleach without rubber gloves, your hands come up nice and clean and smell fresh!!

(like to point out to those who may try this that i was only joking....and have no bleach in my van.....)

[martin19842]

hi there,

bleach still sells because there is a demand for it, the end client thinks that is great, that it smells nice and cleans.

it bleaches the stains clear. rather than cleaning

it smells deadly when mixed with any other chemical, chlorine gas isnt nice.

and it absolutely ruins floors, and thats all types of floors.

yes there is  a coshh data sheet, cause there has to be.

ive even known insurance companies increase premuims based on bleach.

take it off the vehicles and out of the cleaning cupboards, and we would even insisit that a client remove bleach from their premises if we found it there.

cause a cleaner in hospital or other member of staff isnt funny.

regards

martin

[Fox]

What do your cleaners do then Martin drink it?!?

Lighten up mate, think you are being a bit extreme!  Stored safely and used properly, for jobs it is meant for, it is a good product.

You could say stuff about most of the products we use as a cleaning company, whats next ban kentucky mop systems incase someone gets their hand caught in the wringer?  Get rid of black bags incase someone puts their head in it and suffocates! 

By the way yes I am being sarci and no I haven't got PMT! 

[Derek_Walker]

Hi

I read somewhere that there is a product in the making that will be a safe alternative to bleach on the market soon, anbody else seen or heard about this?

[martin19842]

hi fox,

youve hit the nail on the head there,

stored safely and used properly, education of the client is key to that.  cause the client looks in the cleaning cupboard, and thinks

" right just use a bit of that, thanks" 

and thats where problems start.

regards

martin

[DP]

Hi Derek
Not sure which product you might be referring to, but there are a number in progress that could easily proclaim to be the "wonder goop" to replace Bleach if they choose to market that way (all would be fibbing of course)   .

However, dependant on what you use Bleach for ie sterilisation - toilet cleaning- clothes dying - grout cleaning- bomb making etc etc, there is  perfectly good and safe (well except the bomb making) alternative products already out in the market.

In reality, (and although the principles are the same for all) the commercial use of bleach combined with employers and contractor responsibility is where the issue is at this time.

Lets not forget that bleach has kept the world spinning for a great number or years, but like all things "progress and evolution" dictates everything eventually and its time to move on.  

Fox: Re bleach in cupboard.
Yes there is, but I didnt put it there wifey did!  ,
Who bought yours?? 

[Fox]

cause the client looks in the cleaning cupboard, and thinks

" right just use a bit of that, thanks" 

Can understand that, but you surely like me only store chemicals in a lockable cupboard and have done a H&S audit and COSHH with the client so that they are aware of what is on site and any dangers they might pose?  Also if a chemical is used by a client and not one of our employees we as a company are not held responsible/liable for any damage or problems that occur, that would be down to their insurers.

DP - I must say I agree with you even the bit about

"progress and evolution" dictates everything eventually and its time to move on. 

but certain things will never be totally improved on so that they are obsolete - toilet paper for instance! 

As for

Fox: Re bleach in cupboard.
Yes there is, but I didnt put it there wifey did!  ,
Who bought yours?? 

I did!  The best thick brand one of course! lol  It does make you think though that anyone of any age can walk into a supermarket and purchase the stuff.

Fox

[martin19842]

hi,

again you are totally correct, a locked cupboard, invariably 'reception' will hold another key,  therefore we never trust any cupboard to be ultimately secure.

in the past i have known clients take the vacuum cleaner,home for the weekend, cause 'there's had broken'

and then the client has the audacity to moan when we confornt them about these issues.

but hey, its a great market place to be in, EVERYBODY needs CLEANING and we are here to do it, and do it properly and hence make MONEY.

well the sun is shining, and I'm off out on my bike.

regards

martin

[Clean 'n' Tidy]

Hu all,

Thanks for your help. I will try the Bar keepers friend and see how I get on.

Rgds
Kim

[Tim Downer]

Always carried the spare key for our cleaning cupboards in our Office identified with tag etc.....Staff had access to the main key on their work bunch. Client or their employees shouldn't be going in my cupboards for stuff anyway.....

As has been said many times, as long as it is stored properly, has all the relevant COSHH details, staff has been trained and made aware of dangers and in locked cupboard.....then go for it!!

Regards

Tim

[dustycorner]

Slightly off the topic but something Martin said jogged my memory of a client i  had a few.  years back, all my job have cleaning specs i took a call from one of my cleaners  saying he wasnt happy with what the client wanted him to do.

The cheeky b#####ds had only told him that it was his responsibilty to strip wallpaper in one of the rooms. Needless to say i soon put a stop to this.

Cheers Mark

[Unique]

Hi all

I've got a confession 'I LOVE BLEACH'  there i've said it.

It might not be politically correct and it might be a danger blah blah blah  but in my opinion bleach kills germs (please correct me if i am wrong)  When they took bleach out of the hospitial and replace it with bacterial wash and the likes, that is where the problems began  like MRSA. 

See ya
Sharon

[Tim Downer]

Sharon and all......
Not being a "specialist" in bleach products etc, your comment regarding the removal of bleach from Hospitals etc has caused a MRSA epidemic probably is a very valid opinion.
However, Human nature as it is.....lets continue progressing and inventing better ways of doing what we are doing already attitude, creeps in to all aspects of our lives.
Obviously, the invention of anti-bacterial type wash etc must have its merits??.....but why improve on something that works.....like Bleach?
It now seems that we are "moving forwards" again with new technology such as "microfibre technology" which does work?....according to the reports.
But, even using anti-bacterial agents with the microfibre cloths.....is this better than using bleach in the first place?
Before you all start, i am aware that using mops and J-Cloths etc do not remove all germs and just spread it all around, and that microfibre technology, whether cloths or mops are far superior in removing all traces of moisture and the germs etc
But at the end of the day, if bleach works and you can proove to all people involved that you have done the relevant training and health and safety issues are addressed......why not use it??

I am not biased in the above.....because i do not happen to use bleach in my line of work.....however, if the need arose??

Just my thoughts thats all for first thing in the morning.....going to get another coffee now and re-read what i have been mumbleing about..

Have a good day whatever your line of cleaning

Regards

Tim