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Poll

How many WFPers have a permit from the water company?

I do have permit
16%
4 (16%)
I dont have permit
80%
20 (80%)
I buy water they have a permit
4%
1 (4%)
I buy water tey dont have a permit

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 23

WFPs and permits from the water authority
« on: March 27, 2005, 04:41:06 pm »
According to Phillip Hanson

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AND another important point.  If you install any water treatment system which incorporates REVERSE OSMOSIS in a residential building, (including a garage) you must get a permit from your local water authority, otherwise you are breaking the law.

So do you RO men/women have the required permits???

Jon T.C.

  • Posts: 592
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2005, 05:55:45 pm »
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Elite Cleaning Solutions

Philip Hanson

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Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2005, 07:03:22 pm »
Not all WFP system users need permits.  In fact the vast majority of WFP systems that use RO do not need permits.

We need that option in your question.

"Well how do we know who does and who doesn't?"

We need to look at the regulations

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2005, 08:14:59 pm »
Now i'm really confused!

According to Phillip Hanson

Quote
AND another important point. If you install any water treatment system which incorporates REVERSE OSMOSIS in a residential building, (including a garage) you must get a permit from your local water authority, otherwise you are breaking the law.

So do you RO men/women have the required permits???

Not all WFP system users need permits. In fact the vast majority of WFP systems that use RO do not need permits.

We need that option in your question.

"Well how do we know who does and who doesn't?"

We need to look at the regualtions

-Philip

Which is it?

The reason i asked the question was in direct responce to your comment.

How can they need a permit, and the vast majority not need it?

Philip Hanson

  • Posts: 652
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2005, 08:37:17 pm »
I have not contradicted myself, all of what you've quoted above is exactly correct.  This point illustrates the need for us to do our own research before we come to conclusions, or indeed before we raise questions in polls.

Without being unkind Stuart, simply saying "according to Philip Hanson" is not a sound basis for this poll.  How do you know that I was not speaking rubbish about this permit business before you raised this poll?  What did you manage to find out for yourself?

We should really have had a link to the regulations so that people would have been able to see just what they say.

It is both true that you must get permission from your local water authority before installing a system which incorporates Reverse Osmosis, AND that the vast majority of WFP users do not need to seek permission.

-Philip

PS: Getting a permit from the water authority is a simple and straighforward process.
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

Philip Hanson

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Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2005, 09:54:55 pm »
Oh dear it seems that Stuart has deleted himself from the forum.  That's a real shame, I had not meant any offense whatsoever.

For anyone who is interested, the regulations regarding water installations are HERE
Notice the table in section 5, part 4(e) "a unit which incorporates reverse osmosis"

The reason they don't apply to the vast majority of pole users is simple.

Most pole users use a van-mounted system where the RO units are in the van.  These are not an installation in a dwelling, therefore are not under the regs.

Although the regs do apply to static systems, most window cleaners do not "install" the system, they simply attach it to the water supply when needed.  This way, the RO unit is an appliance, not an "installation"

However, if you do have your system plumbed in, and it is genuinely an installation, you should get a permit.

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

Roy Harding

  • Posts: 1974
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2005, 09:59:35 pm »
Thats why I did not complete the poll, as I have a van mounted system.

Thanks for that phillip.

Roy

Jon T.C.

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Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2005, 11:54:21 pm »
Thank God we got that one cleared up 8)

Shame on you Phillip for being too aggressive to new posters ;)
Elite Cleaning Solutions

Philip Hanson

  • Posts: 652
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2005, 11:00:12 am »
I know, I feel quite bad about it.  I had not meant to be aggressive, but its obviously come across like that.

I think Stuart was so anti-wfp he just jumped on this issue without really knowing anything about it, and I don't think that's right.

But still, he might come back, I hope so.

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

Roy Harding

  • Posts: 1974
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2006, 05:29:15 pm »
According to Phillip Hanson

Quote
AND another important point.  If you install any water treatment system which incorporates REVERSE OSMOSIS in a residential building, (including a garage) you must get a permit from your local water authority, otherwise you are breaking the law.

So do you RO men/women have the required permits???

No one got one then??????????????
Roy

Morph

Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2006, 06:06:49 pm »
Mine is an appliance so - non compliance!

Jeff Brimble

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Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2006, 07:32:35 pm »
I would interpret an RO connected to a standard tap by a temporary hose connector or screw tthread device, an appliance, which would then not need any permission  or need to be rated ?

chris@c.m.s

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Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2006, 08:15:21 pm »
Hope you all have permission for outside taps which the water authority also needs notification for  ;)
Sussex by the sea

Jeff Brimble

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Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2006, 08:17:26 pm »
Is that new outside taps or the one thats been in my garage for 50 years ?

chris@c.m.s

  • Posts: 1556
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2006, 08:26:41 pm »
I'm sure you could get retrospective  ;D also I didnt fit any 50 years ago so i dont know ;)
Sussex by the sea

macc

Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2006, 11:06:05 pm »
im ok, next dood told me my tap was fitted 40 years ago then the house 10 years later so im exempt anyway.

master cleaner

  • Posts: 519
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2006, 11:20:35 pm »
im ok, next dood told me my tap was fitted 40 years ago then the house 10 years later so im exempt anyway.

how can your house be built 30 years after the tap is fitted

only joking

gary

stephen d

  • Posts: 154
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2006, 11:23:10 pm »
1.what does a permit cost 2. is the water then charged at commercial rates3.  is this any dearer.

macc

Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2006, 12:05:08 am »
gary, did you do maths at school, i thought i was bad at maths,  ;D

master cleaner

  • Posts: 519
Re: WFPs and permits from the water authority
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2006, 09:45:10 pm »
gary, did you do maths at school, i thought i was bad at maths,  ;D

if the tap was fitted 40 years ago and then ten years later they built the house
 ::) ::) ::)

still only joking

gary