[eddie d]

i run a brodex hot water system .works fine .

[jon adams]

    

            I rang Issac Newton on his cell phone and he said "its like this john", then he had to go as a bloody apple had fallen on his head! So close, will try ringing him l8r.  
                        Jon.

[Glyn H]

There are a hew muppets on here !

All you do is slag people off..especially Brodex.

I have 3 systems..all cold water.

My first system is an Ionic.

Then I bought a Brodex system, and last year i bought another Brodex system...
Work that one out !

Brodex offered me a hot water system years ago.....NO THANKS

But what would I know....I've only been in the cleaning game for 24 years.
I have also studied industrial chemistry.

Reading some of your posts made me angry at first , now I just laugh!

Some of you are clearly ignorant to the FACTS.

Hi Sean 

[mikethechamois]

i dont have wfp

the reason im taking such an interest in this thread is that im going that way later this year

ive read a lot of sites and have chosen a supplier reccomended by several people on here, ive looked on the brodex site , and to be honest i dont see what extra benifits im getting for the extra money

it was my intention to add a heater and go hot wfp...........hence the interest in this thread............................its likely that i will still do that

i was talking to a heating engeneer last night about this

oh yes he said its the first thing plumbers learn..............if you heat oxygenated water it becomes corrosive and rots the system from the inside out, thats what keeps the pumbing industry afloat

they get over that by adding furnox when they fill a central heating system as it takes the oxygen out of the water and stops the process starting

so ive had it from the car industry, and now a heating engineer

brodex say it and they got it from a resin manufacturer

if a resin manufacturer doesnt understand this process who would

several people who use hot wfp have said it burns holes in their clothes and stings when they get it in their eyes....................why would they lie

so heated pure water is acidic......................accept that as a fact

the question is how acidic.........................and how acidic does it have to be for it to cause damage

its something everyone who uses wfp needs to know for their own protection if a claim is made against them

and something those lookig to go into wfp need to be aware of

[fatboy slim]

There are a hew muppets on here !

All you do is slag people off..especially Brodex.

I have 3 systems..all cold water.

My first system is an Ionic.

Then I bought a Brodex system, and last year i bought another Brodex system...
Work that one out !

Brodex offered me a hot water system years ago.....NO THANKS

But what would I know....I've only been in the cleaning game for 24 years.
I have also studied industrial chemistry.

Reading some of your posts made me angry at first , now I just laugh!

Some of you are clearly ignorant to the FACTS.

Hi Sean 

I am confused ithought you were Glyn.....who is Sean ?

[ftp]

Well that's it then, no more hot baths for me - cold showers from now on (that'll please the wife).

What a load of testicles, i've never heard so much rubbish in all my life! Pure water burning holes in T shirts - brilliant. You couldn't write this rubbish for april the 1st.
What's rainwater then? Very nearly pure water of course. What do you think they use to put in your eyes with your contact lenses? Very clean water with a low saline content - that's all pure water is  - very clean water.
If your tap water comes from a limestone area it's going to be slightly alkaline, if it comes from a granite area it's likely to be slightly acidic.

[Alex Gardiner]

There are a hew muppets on here !

All you do is slag people off..especially Brodex.

I have 3 systems..all cold water.

My first system is an Ionic.

Then I bought a Brodex system, and last year i bought another Brodex system...
Work that one out !

Brodex offered me a hot water system years ago.....NO THANKS

But what would I know....I've only been in the cleaning game for 24 years.
I have also studied industrial chemistry.

Reading some of your posts made me angry at first , now I just laugh!

Some of you are clearly ignorant to the FACTS.

Hi Sean 

Hi Glyn,

Do I take it from your above comment that you suspect 'fatboy slim' to be a pseudonym  for Sean Rimmer MD of Brodex?

I don't think that Sean would be that sneaky as he has often come on here under his own name. Of course it could be a Brodex employee doing some undercover work or it could be a genuine customer.

If we could see his IP address (which admin can) we could check it out.

Just checking - aren't you Glyn from Ionic Systems? 

[matt]

There are a hew muppets on here !

All you do is slag people off..especially Brodex.

I have 3 systems..all cold water.

My first system is an Ionic.

Then I bought a Brodex system, and last year i bought another Brodex system...
Work that one out !

Brodex offered me a hot water system years ago.....NO THANKS

But what would I know....I've only been in the cleaning game for 24 years.
I have also studied industrial chemistry.

Reading some of your posts made me angry at first , now I just laugh!

Some of you are clearly ignorant to the FACTS.

Hi Sean 

Hi Glyn,

Do I take it from your above comment that you suspect 'fatboy slim' to be a pseudonym  for Sean Rimmer MD of Brodex?

I don't think that Sean would be that sneaky as he has often come on here under his own name. Of course it could be a Brodex employee doing some undercover work or it could be a genuine customer.

If we could see his IP address (which admin can) we could check it out.

Just checking - aren't you Glyn from Ionic Systems? 

its starting to get like the old days

next we will see ironics member of staff (of course forgetting to mention that ) posting about how they won a billion pound contract just because they have the words ironics reach and wash on the side of the van

[Glyn H]

Hi Alex
Sean Rimmer wasnt the MD of Brodex although he claimed to be!  he was just an employee of Brodex and he also used to state that he held  a qualification in Industrial Chemistry just like fatboy slim.

[mikethechamois]

i can understand what your saying ftp

i can tell you think im being stupid about this and your not on your own

but all the evidence shows that its a fact that pure water becomes more acidic the hotter it gets

you put summer coolant in your motor to prevent corrosion from the hot water

every other industry recognises these facts and takes steps to prevent it

so hot water is more corrosive than cold..................undisputable fact

its not what im arguing about

im being pedantic i know but before i invest in a system i want to know how corrosive  hot wfp  is

or is all this about destroying window frames just a load of bunkum put about by a supplier that only supplies cold water systems

[Alex Gardiner]

Hi Alex
Sean Rimmer wasnt the MD of Brodex although he claimed to be!  he was just an employee of Brodex and he also used to state that he held  a qualification in Industrial Chemistry just like fatboy slim.

Have a look here Glyn,

www.linkedin.com/pub/4/139/1b6

[tomy jackson]

now do tell me wear in a boller you get bits that rust as tis coper brass and stanlessteal , it the rads that rot with water be it hot or cold , so wear is it going to rot on your sictem  as ther are no rads

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

Hot pure water is more acidic than cold, I've done the tests an posted pics on here to  prove it. However how acidic at the tempritures that window cleaners  use it who knows. The ph scale is a logerithmic scale as well so 5 is a lot more acidic than 6. Have there ever been any claims made against wcs because of damage to metal frames?  

One thing is fir sure though, if you don't sell a product your not going to rave about it. How many trad cleaners that have no intention of going wfp have slated wfp to their customers, theirs been a few on here that have converted afterwards.

Simon.  

[gary999]

hot or cold pure water cleans, i imagine on first cleans hot would be a great
advantage but on regular maintenance cleans cant see there being any great
advantage.keep hearing that hot cleans better surely they do the same job one
is just quicker than the other and that is dependant on the job you are doing

[Glyn H]

Hi Alex
As I wrote, he claimed to be the MD at Brodex but he was never shown as even an ordinary Director or even a shareholder at any of the Brodex Companies on any Companies House records or documents, which are the Only  records that are legal and  by law your name and address must appear in these records before you may call yourself a Director.

[Ian_Giles]

I have been wearing the same trousers for work now for 3 years, no damage from pure water that I can find, ditto my polo shirts, not an iota of damage caused through water rotting holes through the fabric....

I'd not dispute that the hotter water gets the more likely it is to absorb CO2 from the atmosphere, cold pure water is also more likely to absorb CO2 as well (to a lesser degree of course)
But ultimately the water we use is only a tiny bit purer than rain water, hell there have been occasions when the water I've used hasn't been as pure as rainwater, ie, when my resin needs changing.

I wonder how long it is going to be before someone has a customer who tries to blame the window cleaner for their windows oxidising?
Now I know that it is caused by UV rays from sunshine of course, but no doubt someone will here of windows being rotted from pure water used by window cleaners and try and use that erroneous fact to sue their window cleaner for some nice new windows!!

Pure water isn't battery acid! The weak carbonic acid that it becomes is so weak that it is an insult to any decent acid to call it acid at all!! If it was then all rain would be acid rain, houses would melt, cars would be stripped of paint.

Water is of course an amazing substance, ultra pure water (waaaaay purer than the stuff we use to clean windows) freezes at several degrees below zero C, the purified water we use will happily freeze at zero degrees C (or as near to it as dammit) so in chemical terms it can't be that pure can it?
A mate of mine works for a police forensic lab, and he has said that the water  we use wouldn't be pure enough for them, they measure it in parts per billion, not parts per million as we do.

As soon as I'm in a position to do so I'll be getting set up with some of hot water system...but not the Ionics thermopure that's for sure!  (nowt wrong with it, it's just so bloody expensive!)

Ian

[tomy jackson]

you scrufiy git not changing your panits 

[Nathanael Jones]

Anyone got some litmus paper and I'll test it,..... ?

I honestly expect the difference to be so small that it can only be measures with a digital meter though,.. though I don't dispute there will be a slight difference in PH.

[mikethechamois]

thanks lads

i know ive rattled on  about this , but i can see so many advantages to hot wfp that i want to go down that route

i dont want to be sued a few years down the line for ruining someones frames

reading todays replies i feel better about the whole thing

i bet theres more harmfull muck raining down on us from the atmosphere

than we could produce by heating pure water

[dd]

If hot water is not more agressive how does it clean better? Everyone seems to ignore this simple point.

The water must be heated to a high enough temperature to alter its characteristics, otherwise there would be no point doing it.

In my experience pure water only makes holes in COTTON. e.g 100% pure cotton t-shirt.