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Oaten

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The law on using ladders?
« on: February 09, 2009, 11:39:28 am »
Im just about to start window cleaning and i wanted to know the laws on using ladders. I heard a while ago that you are not allowed to use them anymore is this correct?

Thanks

Oaten

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 12:10:04 pm »
Try doing a search on here, it comes up quite a lot.

There's a lot more to it than simply 'no'

this link may be useful: http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/april.htm

 :)

Just had a quick read and as i see you can still use them :)

paulben

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 03:44:25 pm »
the last time i looked you can as long as there is no other way of doing it . but if you are seriuos about window cleaning then think about a wfp worth there weight in gold
Do not steal the government hates competition

AuRavelling79

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Re: The law on using ladders? New
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 09:20:26 pm »
In practical terms most commercial (except the smallest) or local government premises will require you to meet H&S regs. They will not want you up a ladder.

On domestics no one is likely to stop you and take issue over your method of working - many householders don't know the regs. and will trust you to know what you are doing and the older generation often do "not like" wfp.

But when you have an "incident" - a slip or damage property then the sleeping dog will awake and depending on the seriousness of the matter than you could be held criminally or financially liable if you have not chosen the reasonably safest way to work.

Most w/c's who have looked at this issue without preconceived ideas tend to realise that wfp is the safer method. But....

It could be concluded that trailing hoses - if not properly "signed" - could be a risk and that water freezing could be another.

So if pure safety was the motive then perhaps a trolley system for upstairs and blading for downstairs might be the safest way. But then you have more "back issues"! Lifting 25kg drums or trolleys and car batteries about needs care - as does handling a pole or carrying a ladder.

I have used ladders, a trolley and now a van mount.

Generally I think van mounted wfp with bright microbore hose, adequate signs, a light pole and being prepared to salt and/or blade doorways or near vulnerable pathways in icy conditions is the way to go. But speed is also a motivator for me!

I truly feel that ladders are now unnecessary as a general rule of health and safety and believe that wfp versus ladders lets me safely reach far more windows than it cannot.

Windows over a long flat roofed extension are sometimes the only difficulty I encounter and although I don't personally do them some justify a ladder for that alone.

Having said that I will use a six foot ladder to let me reach over gates that are locked or blade above a door set in a porch.

Hmmm, that post was longer than i meant it to be! ;D
It's a game of three halves!

vision tech

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 11:02:24 pm »
malc,
that was a very convincing reply about whether to go wfp or not,
you won me over.
I started out with nothing......I still have most of it.

Oaten

  • Posts: 20
Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 11:36:20 pm »
I will get a WFP

How much would i be looking at the get a decent full system?



williamx

Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 06:26:52 am »
It depends on whether you have to use a ro unit (hard water area) or a DI Tank (soft water area)

You will need a van 1st which should be about £1000

Ro unit plus wfp system (diy) £1300
Di Tank plus wfp system (diy) £900

These figures are for the basic systems, they will be able to clean the same amount of properties, as the most expensive systems that are available, so don't go down the route that because it costs more, it better.

The above is a complete system, but if you wanted to save even more money you could use a backpack, which you can get for £100, but you still would need a pole £50 and either a Ro Unit £300 or Di Tank with resin £100.

cottonbud10

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 09:48:30 am »
oaten,,,or you could just buy my van and set up all ready to go,,for £500.....van astra g reg tax and mot had it for 3 years,, 250 ltr tank,,pump and controller,,all you need is hosereel and pole,,dont forget you will need access or be able to produce your pure water,,,,,southend on sea essex

Oaten

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 11:42:58 am »
oaten,,,or you could just buy my van and set up all ready to go,,for £500.....van astra g reg tax and mot had it for 3 years,, 250 ltr tank,,pump and controller,,all you need is hosereel and pole,,dont forget you will need access or be able to produce your pure water,,,,,southend on sea essex

I will have to see how much i get paid on friday could do with selling my clio to buy a van

what liter is the van and how many miles?

tacky

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 08:30:36 pm »
ladders can be used up to 6 metres on domestic and small commercial properties .must not take longer than 15 to 30 minutes on one task .( if u take longer to do one window u ar in the wrong job ) those ar some of the rules .i use both trad and wfp .it s a lot of money to start off wfp .but it is safer .but  dont be conned into buying wfp eqipment if u dont need it (.may be conned is the wrong word .)my apologies if i have offended any one

Mr.G

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Re: The law on using ladders?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 09:55:46 pm »
we are encouraged to believe that myth by the companies who make wfp equipment! An I****S salesman insisted to me that ladders are illegal for window cleaning...