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purekleen

  • Posts: 27
ro systems
« on: March 16, 2005, 01:07:50 am »
can anyone help have decided to have a static system and transfer the water to van mount,i brought a 200gpd pumped ro system and a di unit the problem i have it took me approx 54 hrs to get a 1000l i spoke to the company that sold the machine and they have told me my COLD water is to cold to get a better return. surely this cant be so the temperature they gave was 77faren well i tested that and thats warm water in my kitchen sink anybody got any ideas how to get a faster return because if not its back to the bucket and ladders for me?????????

Roy Harding

  • Posts: 1973
Re: ro systems
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2005, 08:19:33 am »
What is your water presure?

When you say it is pumped is that by a 240 volt pump to increase water presure.

To take that long it has to be pesure.

Ian_Giles

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Re: ro systems
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2005, 09:28:12 am »
There are ways around that, from pumps that increase the pressure to the membranes to more membranes (depending on system) to membranes that will produce more water in a given time.
Roy Harding has an RO than can produce the water almost as fast as he can use it. (water pressure notwithstanding of course)
Warm water may well allow the membranes to work more efficiently, but I haven't had a problem all winter, nor have most the other WFP guys I imagine.

If your water pressure is low, get hold of a pump that will increase it within your purification system.

200 gpd isn't a big system, if you are going to need 1000L of water per day you are going to need a much bigger one.

Discuss your needs with the major suppliers.

Peter Fogwill over on When I'm Cleaning Windows has a forum that is almost exclusively WFP.
He also is a supplier.
Here is a link to his site.

http://www.window-tools.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=admin

This forum isn't so heavily used as the other 2, but Peter will reply eventually (should you join and put in a post, also others will respond too)

THere are links direct to his company too.

http://www.window-tools.com/

The people at the likes of Omnipole and Ionics will all give good advice too.


Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

purekleen

  • Posts: 27
Re: ro systems
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2005, 09:34:58 am »
the water pressure it shows on the in line meter is reading 60 psi and i dont need a 1000l a day but that is just to slow also how much water should go through the di resin before it needs changing???

Ian_Giles

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Re: ro systems
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2005, 11:31:30 am »
As the water going through the DI is going to be almost pure (though I think that depends on how ward the water is in the first place ???) You should be able to go about 3 months or so.
It really depends on the TDS reading prior to going through the DI.
It also of course depends on the size of the DI tank.
There is a formula for working out exactly how much water a given amount of resin will produce, depending on the hardness of the water :-\
Much easier just to check your water quality after it has passed through the resin.
Once it starts to get up to 0.010 and above its time to change your resin.

60 psi isn't high, but it isn't that low either.

The most water that I use is no more than 250L in a very full day, max.

But if you are spending all day working domestic houses, and, for the sake of average lets say they are all 3 bed semi's you should be able to do one with about 18/20 litres of water.
350L should allow you to do about 20 houses.
But you need to tailor your system to your needs (not forgetting future needs :-\)  250L is more than enough for me.
I would reckon that one litre of water will earn me a minumum of 50p up a possible maximum of £1.30.

The money spent on a your RO will soon be recouped.

Don't forget, if you are leaving your water on over the weekend, you will be starting your week with a full cubic metre of water, as each night passes, providing you don't forget to turn on your system :-\ You are going to top it back up overnight.

Once you have filled up, you are unlikely to run out through the week, unless of course 2 of you are running 2 poles and working flat out on some very big jobs with the water pumping as fast as it will go :o

I don't know if your tank is baffled, but if it isn't you are going to have problems :'(

Ask Roy Harding what it is like to drive around with an unbaffled 1000L tank ;D ;D
He didn't do it for long!

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

steve a

  • Posts: 466
Re: ro systems
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2005, 05:14:39 pm »
Yeah and I also tried the 1000 ltr unbaffled tank jobby. It was an experience.

then i baffled the tank with lengths of field drain pipe (the white stuff) and added a particle filter in the line out so as not to kill my pump with
any small peices of plastic pipe that remained

It worked and is now steady as a rock.

Steve a

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2005, 05:33:13 pm »
just trying to imagine this field drain pipe...the 'white stuff'  I have absolutely no idea what that is !!...I wonder...would that big orange netting stuff work ?.. At the end of the day, your're just tring to stop a huge volume of water sloshing about...by effectively turning a large container into one with lots of little cells that can't move as one...or at least not as much. I'm imagineing some sort of restrictive honeycombe thingy. Hmm...I do understand the principle of baffling however....even a mug of tea with a spoon in it...will spill less readily when carried than one without...

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2005, 05:36:20 pm »
sthingy ?  ...I said spoon

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2005, 05:36:51 pm »
wow...you can't even say s p o o n

Roy Harding

  • Posts: 1973
Re: ro systems
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2005, 05:38:41 pm »
You have obvesly baffled your bear as you cant of spilled a drop. ;D

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2005, 05:44:00 pm »
lol...just me thinking out loud as it were.....

steve a

  • Posts: 466
Re: ro systems
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2005, 06:17:29 pm »
land drain

Its like, you know what a bendy straw looks like, well the bendy bit if you extend it it stretches, now imagine this 4 inches in diameter and in the little corrugations there are lots of perforations, which allow water to pass through.

Well you buy it in big rolls and cut it to length with a saw and slot them into the tank, all stood up like, packed in tight in an upright position.

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2005, 06:53:43 pm »
blimey...so where do you buy that then ?....could come in handy in the future.......

steve a

  • Posts: 466
Re: ro systems
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2005, 08:24:13 pm »
any builders yard mate. ;) You need a roll and a half for a 650 ltr tank.

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2005, 08:25:25 pm »
hmm....cheers for that...

AuRavelling79

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Re: ro systems
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2005, 08:30:24 pm »
Roy - baffle a bear? As in Yogi or Rupert or Biffo?

I tnink I'm baffled now! ;D
It's a game of three halves!

Duke

Re: ro systems
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2005, 08:36:50 pm »
doh...I didn't like to say anything.......