[paul@ctcs]

One for the chaps who undertake builders cleans??

Paul

[CMS]

With regard to builders cleans, you CAN get away with having a greater gross margin than with regular contracted work.

When quoting for builders cleans I would use a 'multiplier' of 3 X the hourly rate of pay for the hourly charge.

Don't get caught out with materials costs....................builders cleans usually involve some floor sealing.

So, in summary, I would use............

Hourly rate X 3 + materials + (any hire charges + 20%)

[paul@ctcs]

Another big spread in prices, I dont think I'd get too much work from my builder if I charged anything near the £20 mark, Myself and one member of staff have spent the last 2 days(and back there tomorrow  ) cleaning, clearing and sweeping a 4 story industrial factory. Nothing special required just steel toe caps, hard hat, broom and barrow so what would you charge per hour??

Paul

[CMS]

£18.00 an hour.........and I'd get it on a builders clean!

You understand that I'm not talking about the local building contractor here, it appears that you are supplying 'contract labour'.

I'm talking about Clients such as National shop fitting companies, Project Managers etc. where 'cleaning' is required.............maybe specialist floor finishes etc. It is also likely to include 'specialist work' like high level window cleaning, clean room cleaning (in new buildings for technology companies).

Nothing special required just steel toe caps, hard hat, broom and barrow so what would you charge per hour??

I'm sure you meant to include 'Risk Assessments and Method Statements' in there. They are a legal requirement that is all included in the price!

Large reputable builders will ask for them before you go on site and will expect to pay for them.

[Ian Rochester]

Well, another testing thread and agin something we have dipped our toe into!!

What do you charge? .... Firstly you will need to be CIS registered, no actual outlay there but not everyone has it.

As already mentioned method statements, risk assessments, CoSHH data, insurance information will be expected as the norm. 

The term "builders clean" or "post build clean" can encompass a multitude of tasks that can be called upon and you need to clarify with the contractor what exactly it is that they want you to do.

So far we have only worked with large regional or national construction companies.  We do not work purely on hourly rate, the range of tasks required and the equipment needed to do them can make the labour rate a marginal cost in comparison to the rest.

As CMS stated, you can generally get a better margin on builders cleans, your costing model will remain the same but you can be more generous with you profit level......at the end of the day it's is very much suck it and see, you get a feel for what you can realistically expect to get.  Never put in a price without seeing the job and clarifying what you will be expected to undertake!!

[Tim Downer]

We charge our clients by the Sq.Ft and the prices fluctuate between 2 Bedroom 1 Bathroom properties and 2 Bedroom 2 Bathroom properties as an example. So I have no idea as to the per hour charge as I usually have between 2 and 5 staff in a property at a time. When I get back to the Office on Monday, I will try and work it out for you.
Again, it will also depend on the customer, as some appreciate the hard work we put into the cleaning, others are just tight and want a cheaper price....

Regards

Tim

[paul@ctcs]

All finished!! Both builder and site manager very happy with our work All in all it took 28 very tough hours, not 100% sure what to charge but I guess around £350.
 We have done quite a bit of work in the past for this building company in the past and have quoted prior to commencing work, which quite often I live to regret. This time there was very little time to quote so we agreed to charge an hourly rate. Due to the simplicity of this job I feel £12.50 should be acceptable but presume some will disagree

Paul

[martin19842]

hi there,

paul, i would nudge it over the £420.00 mark. simplicity of job, yes i agree, but still you require to keep your invoice value as high as possible, cause they will remember the cheaper jobs in the future, when you send in a higher invoice.

have a good weekend.

regards

martin

[Ian Gourlay]

Ian,

You seem to beant  very diversified Bike Hire?

Could you explain what CIS is and how you register.


Many thanks


Ian Gourlay

[dustycorner]

Hi all,

I have been informed by a customer ( an accountant ) that if you can show your company has a annual turnover of more than £30k you do not have to be cis registered if anyone knows this to be true or not it would be interesting.

Cheers Mark.

[martin19842]

hi there.

CIS  cinstruction industry scheme-- anybody undertaking work of any sort that is covered by cis means that you have to register for CIS.

this comes in  a number of different flavours, ie a CIS card, or full tax certificate.

CIS 4 for instance is a registration of CIS where all payments are made less 18% tax,  oif the LABOUR element of the work.

CIS 5 is a registration which attracts gross payments, ie without deducting the 18% tax.

there is an advantage of being a LTD company in the fact that if you are CIS 4 you can offset your cis deductions against your monthly PAYE payments.

with regards to 30k turnover, this is the TURNOVER TEST, which can be taken at anytime to apply for GROSS payment status.  the £30k approx is after costs to achieve the turnover have been deducted.

there are three tests , business test, compliance test, and the turnover test.

document IR40 is available as a pdf document, and covers all of the points of this lovely subject CIS.

so hope that helps

regards

martin

[BSF]

It is true but if your limited its 30k for each director, and these earnings have to be just from the constuction industry only, any other earnings dont count, the inland revenue have a form to complete, if you pass the earnings test you get an exemption card.

Regards Paul

[martin19842]

hi there,

thats the same as a partnership, 30k net turnover per partner.

the good thing if there can be one,is that if you are limited then you can offset the cis to the paye.

regards

martin

[BSF]

Yes Martin this is true, in answer to Ians post all you do to register is visit your local tax office, fill in a couple of forms, company details etc, take photo id with you like a driving licence, proof of address, a passport photograph used for the card, you have to sign the form infront of the tax official, enter details of other directors and get them to sign form, if required fill in the form for the exepmtion card/cert, you get the cis card in around 10days. When you get work within the construction industry you take your card in to the appropriate person they photo copy your card, when you invoice them keep materials seperate as the 18% is only taken from the labour element. As Martin said you can offset this deduction against paye smp etc.

[Ian Rochester]

Ian_G

The bike hire is very much a sideline, as we have some very beautiful scenery around here both along the coast and inland and cycling is the best way to appreciate a lot of it.

I set it up last year after getting a lot of requests from people staying at our cottage who wanted to hire bikes but there was nowhere doing it, Good market opportunity thought I!!!

I managed to get a grant from Business Link for some of the initial capital outlay and marketing costs.  We've now got unisex mountain bikes, tandems, tag-a-longs and child seats.

It's very seasonal, just had the first bookings of this year out yesterday (Sat) and got some more booked to go out this morning.  Get yourself up here and have a look around, I'll do you a good deal!!   www.pedal-power.co.uk

[Ian Gourlay]

Ian

Holiday cottages aswell

Might take you up on that


Think you better  buy another one there are over  4000 cleaners on this board plus their families


Ian 

[martin19842]

hi there,

just had a look at your site, wow that is good money for a bike for a day,  unfortunately now though i am more into the ones that pull you along at at a reasonably (safe) speed, rather than the pedal power.

and guess what the sun is out today, i might have to go out for a quick blat.

have a good weekend

regards

martin

[Ian Rochester]

Just got in, had a VERY busy day, now sat in front of computer unwinding with a tin of stella.

Ian G or anyone else, you are  more than welcome to come and stay at our cottage (sleeps 5) and go for a cycle along the many  routes in this area, just drop me a pm and I will send you the details, though we have very few dates available between now and end of Oct.

Got to go, 8am start tomorrow, today!!

[Tim Downer]

Chuffing busy week already!! And its only Tuesday Morning....
Doing the usual Juggling with jobs and the Staff etc. Working out so far!!

Did a very quick sum on our charges, remembering that we usually charge per Sq.Ft. However, the sums came to around £18.50 'ish per hour over the process of a typical Builders and Sparkle clean in an appartment.

Saying this, I do pay my Cleaners £9.00 per hour because I know they work chuffing hard and they deserve it!! They are the Ambassadors of the Company after all....and their hard work reflects on the company profile.

When my staff are happy, they clean to a high standard.....and the customer is very happy with the results.....and we then get more work off of them.

I agree with Lionheart that you have to "suck it and see" with the pricing. When we put in a price, we do call up a few days later to enquire about the tender, and if they query the price.....well that gives me an opportunity to suggest I place in a slightly better competitive quote, which they quite often say that they would appreciate this. Obviously I am not in the market to go in nice and cheap, because the clients would like this very much!! Couldn't afford to paying £9.00 per hour.....

Kind Regards

Tim

[Jan K]

Bloody hell Tim, can I come and work for you