[Wayne Thomas]

Can you enlarge her for those of us that need reading glasses

[matt]

i went wfp 3 months ago. i opted for a diy system. wish i hadn't now. dont get me wrong its great but if you work out the time spent putting it all together making mistakes un thought of extra exspences and loss time i'd of been much better off going up north and getting one of the few factory fitted systems done. serously doode i lost money from having my van off the road due to tank fiting in etc etc.

That's why i went for a Tucker system. 

Drop the van off & picked it up 2 days later & started working her the next day. Only had 1 problem & that was with the varistream that they came out & sorted. I went for a 2 man system for back up.

i tell you what, if you cannot fit a system in a van in 2 days ( a weekend ) then its not for you, but lets say, 2 days in plenty to fit a system, we all know it

[RSWindows]

Matt can u activate that account for me mate?

[mr D]

it took me friday, sat, sunday, in the summer so drying wasnt too much of a prob to protectocote the van bed. it took me ages to wait for all the parts to come so i put the tank in 1st coz a 400ltr tank takes alot of room up in your garden. then waited for the rest to come. once the tank was in i wanted to ply around it to protect it so theres another 2days. parts came one by one. i had hell of trouble finding an IBC container close enough to collect. there was problem after problem. i still have slip ups now but thats normaly because i keep leaving the sub pump on while i'm eating breckfast and fill the van with pure h2o.lol

i'm not saying all diy systems go this way but mine did and i would most defantly go pro nxt time.

also i've got about 50 recepts to put through my books at the end of the year where as if i'd of got a pro system i'd one and now worry about the tax man rejecting any due to me buying half the stuff from b&q

[DASERVICES]

Colin,

Once you've made up your mind what system you will buy I'm just around the corner if you have any teething problems. Thats the biggest dilema people have if something goes wrong and there is no one for miles to sort it out.

Andrew does a very good system for the price.

[matt]

it took me friday, sat, sunday, in the summer so drying wasnt too much of a prob to protectocote the van bed. it took me ages to wait for all the parts to come so i put the tank in 1st coz a 400ltr tank takes alot of room up in your garden. then waited for the rest to come. once the tank was in i wanted to ply around it to protect it so theres another 2days. parts came one by one. i had hell of trouble finding an IBC container close enough to collect. there was problem after problem. i still have slip ups now but thats normaly because i keep leaving the sub pump on while i'm eating breckfast and fill the van with pure h2o.lol

i'm not saying all diy systems go this way but mine did and i would most defantly go pro nxt time.

also i've got about 50 recepts to put through my books at the end of the year where as if i'd of got a pro system i'd one and now worry about the tax man rejecting any due to me buying half the stuff from b&q

planning is the key here, waiting ages for the bits to come ? ? ? ? planning

3 days to coat the floor with protectocote, that can be started before the system bits are ordered, 1 friday nigth empty van and give it a coat, another coat on sat etc etc , all done BEFORE the tank arrives

as i said, planning ahead will save you time

[matt]

Matt can u activate that account for me mate?

indeed, i have

[mr D]

a friend of mine carl foster helped me loads with mine as did  Andy mac. any one who offers you help take it. makes so much sence when you can see it working.

[L.J.Thorpe]

on the insurance front
my tank is restrained with 5 ton ratchet straps attatched to a steel chassis
the whole thing can be removed by two people in about 10 mins
as it is not a permanent fixture it is classed as cargo
my insurance broker checked this out and said it was fine

Well after the discussions I had with both my insurance companies they would not accept this.

A removable tank would be a benefit for my next van...who is your insurer? It could be worth a call.

Thanks

Mick

off the top of my head i am not sure  :
i have a broker and i do nearly all my insurance thru him
i think it might be provident

[RSWindows]

Colin,

Once you've made up your mind what system you will buy I'm just around the corner if you have any teething problems. Thats the biggest dilema people have if something goes wrong and there is no one for miles to sort it out.

Andrew does a very good system for the price.

  he knows my name.......how come? 

and how u know im around the corner?

LOL its a bit disconscerting when you find out that someone on here knows you for some reason.

e-mail me your mob number and il text you mine so that i can save yours, i have a contract that im working on atm that is near you and could be wise to have a friend in the vacinity should any unforseen circumstances take hold

[DASERVICES]

You've spoke to me before.
slwcn

[RSWindows]

You've spoke to me before.
slwcn

im still confused tbh

you will need to be a little more informative than that   

[CLEANGLASSUK]

What's Charlotte saying? Can anyone lip read?

Right, shes coming at yer now does that help? 

........hello boys.

[Alex Gardiner]

Some may find this controversial but I am going to state it anyway.

If you go on my website you won't find "delivered DIY systems" on there.

I have very good reasons for this. Past experience has shown me that they are a nightmare in most cases both for the supplier and the customer. What Mr D has said just about sums it all up really. Unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time on research. Installation. Sourcing the correct parts etc DIY is probably not for you.

IF you are prepared to put a lot of time doing the research and getting to know exactly what you need, how it all works and whwre to get all the parts both large and small then DIY could be for you. Matt's site does have lots of good advice to help.

Gardiners stopped supplying DIY kits a long time ago for the same reasons. I am sure that Alex will back me up on this.

Perhaps DIY was a lot more relevant when van systems were 5 or 6 k minimum but now that companies like mine can supply a fully fitted 40 inch RO system with all the bells and whistles for the same sort of budget that RS has stated for a lot it makes much more sense to go that route.

I am merely stating my own experience here. Anyone is welcome to disagree. Some have done DIY systems very well and are happy with them.

If DIY kits made sense both for me and the customer I would supply them but they honestly just don't in the case of a complete van system with 40 inch RO etc.

Andrew

Only just spotted this Andrew.  You're absolutely right - many wanting a DIY kit (to save money) did not have the technical knowledge to make them up and needed much more (sometimes up to 6 hours of phone support with each kit) than the usual after sales care and support, which defeated the purpose of a DIY kit!  The parts that caused the most problems to the novice DIYer were the RO units and the delivery pumps.

[matt]

Some may find this controversial but I am going to state it anyway.

If you go on my website you won't find "delivered DIY systems" on there.

I have very good reasons for this. Past experience has shown me that they are a nightmare in most cases both for the supplier and the customer. What Mr D has said just about sums it all up really. Unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time on research. Installation. Sourcing the correct parts etc DIY is probably not for you.

IF you are prepared to put a lot of time doing the research and getting to know exactly what you need, how it all works and whwre to get all the parts both large and small then DIY could be for you. Matt's site does have lots of good advice to help.

Gardiners stopped supplying DIY kits a long time ago for the same reasons. I am sure that Alex will back me up on this.

Perhaps DIY was a lot more relevant when van systems were 5 or 6 k minimum but now that companies like mine can supply a fully fitted 40 inch RO system with all the bells and whistles for the same sort of budget that RS has stated for a lot it makes much more sense to go that route.

I am merely stating my own experience here. Anyone is welcome to disagree. Some have done DIY systems very well and are happy with them.

If DIY kits made sense both for me and the customer I would supply them but they honestly just don't in the case of a complete van system with 40 inch RO etc.

Andrew

Only just spotted this Andrew.  You're absolutely right - many wanting a DIY kit (to save money) did not have the technical knowledge to make them up and needed much more (sometimes up to 6 hours of phone support with each kit) than the usual after sales care and support, which defeated the purpose of a DIY kit!  The parts that caused the most problems to the novice DIYer were the RO units and the delivery pumps.

surely this will effect the "off the shelf " system buyer aswell

[Alex Gardiner]

Not to the same degree Matt (not that we currently sell off the shelf systems either!). Generally they are completely assembled and tested before they are fitted to the clients van. Most faults will have been spotted and everything should be set-up correctly.

For the able DIY'er setting up your own system is still the most sensible way to go as it allows complete tailoring  to your needs and saves a bit of money. What it doesn't provide is any crash-test standards (we currently do not sell one of these either!) for the restraint system. Some of the DIY systems I have seen over the years though look just as crash-worthy as those with a certain type of certificated clamp. There are of course other DIY systems that are death traps.

[ftp]

I'm sure there is money to be made by installing caged tanks in vans. If i was to build another i would consider paying a little extra and driving a few miles to a competant fitting company for peace of mind. The rest though is sooo simple.

[Alex Gardiner]

Not questioning the fact that you could get injured or killed by your tank, it could happen!

But vans are designed to carry a heavier cargo weight all day everyday.

Wfp systems manufactures for some reason have decided to build more upright tank systems that would topple over if you just drove around a corner so have to be bolted.. Rather than make a flat tank system with bigger footprint and lower centre of gravity fully baffled throughout the tank not just in part, having the tank so it cannot slide and is strapped should be enough?

Traffic accident is the death trap! But your wfp system should be secured.

Completely agree. This is why most off-the-shelf systems are inherently un-safe.

[matt]

Not to the same degree Matt (not that we currently sell off the shelf systems either!). Generally they are completely assembled and tested before they are fitted to the clients van. Most faults will have been spotted and everything should be set-up correctly.

For the able DIY'er setting up your own system is still the most sensible way to go as it allows complete tailoring  to your needs and saves a bit of money. What it doesn't provide is any crash-test standards (we currently do not sell one of these either!) for the restraint system. Some of the DIY systems I have seen over the years though look just as crash-worthy as those with a certain type of certificated clamp. There are of course other DIY systems that are death traps.

its worring that people cannot put together a RO system ( afterall you have instructions with them ) and the transfer pump, well thats just fit some cable and some hose, whats difficult with that

i dont know, im not sure people even try these days

[gary999]

nobody ever said window cleaners were bright