[Joe H]

I have Doug, and use it majority of the time.

but most TMers will have a portable for those jobs difficult access, or need to work behind closed doors ie nursing homes etc, and for times the TM machine is not working waiting a part.

What better machine to have as a backup then the Scorpion.

Hope yours is going well Doug, are you getting used to it now?

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Joe

Yes awesome power, the combination of heat, vacuum and water pressure puts it in a different league to any porty but then so does the price!

I have never liked portys without heaters as I believe heat is more important than vacuum or pressure.

I know some people like to say that hot water doesn't make any difference but my chemistry background and experience lead me firmly to the opposite conclusion.

We all know that a porty can only receive so much power which must be split between the Vacs, pump and heater, I jist prefer mine to use some of that power to heat the water !

Cheers

Doug

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Doug what about the new washing machine detergent that cleans at 15 degrees?

Oh and im sure my washing machine rinses cold!

Cheers Goron

[nevil]

Doug what about the new washing machine detergent that cleans at 15 degrees?

Oh and im sure my washing machine rinses cold!

Cheers Goron

It's an undeniabl fact that.

Chemical reactions happen quicker with heat. ( precisely twice as quick with every 10 degree rise in temperature. )

[gwrightson]

same old debate about to start here

Goron, I would have thought you should know that hot is better!!!

Now I wonder why they manufacture washing machines with heat  just think of all the electric the consumer would be saving,......... oh and we could all save the planet in the process

So come on Hotpoint, Zanussi, phillips Bosch    and all the others lets have a cold only machine, I wont hold my breath, they would soon stop selling.

geoff

[Joe H]

same old debate about to start here
geoff

 

I'm going for my tea.

[clinton]

joe

sure you dont want to make more room in your vehicle and pass on your scorpion

[Mike Halliday]

take the carpets up stick them in a machine totally submerse them in cleaning solution, and let them rubble around for 25mins, then you will have a comparison with a washing machine, OK washing machines can clean @ 15degrees but we are not sticking a carpet in a washing machine so this comparison is ridiculous :

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I borrowed a cold water TM last Xmas from Mike, jobs did take longer and I had to use heavier prespray applications.

Shaun

[AJB]

 I built myself a copy of this,

www.steam-brite.com/store/universal-vacuum-booster-p-4832.html

The idea was if i require a lot more air movement, then i can put my version on
in about 30 Sec's, also if i lose a motor, then i can use this to save any down time.
Also if i wish i can have 2 x 3 Stage, as either series or parallel, and the vacuum
does not rise, so the tanks on any machine are actually under less stress.

With this running my wonderwand frequently locks on the carpet, and the drying
is incredible.

[rich hand]

It's an undeniabl fact that.

Chemical reactions happen quicker with heat. ( precisely twice as quick with every 10 degree rise in temperature. )

So put hot water in your sprayer,  by the time most of are rinsing the chemical reaction will be over!

[gwrightson]

I think i shall have to get a thermometer,

I always try and mix my pre spray with hot water from my machine , problem is some chems dont allow the mixture at too higher a temp,

geoff

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Nevil

Yes you are absolutely right so put the heat where it is needed in the prespray, what are you trying to increase the chemical reactivity of by heating your rinse water unless of course you are running your detergent through your machine!

Geoff

I have to use heat i have no choice, I have removed the first of my three heat exchangers though. You may remember some time ago when the scorpion first came out i used it to clean my local brewers fayre, i didn't use cold water but did only use warm water from the tap as running both taps fills buckets faster! The results were as good as i could get with the tm.

Nobody has said that you can't use these products with heat they have just said you don't have too. If you have heat use it!

Cheers Goron

Ps. Geoff like i said my washing machine uses heat when it will make a difference and the rinse is cold. It is made by one of the largest american manufacturers

[Mike Halliday]

heat is'nt necessary to clean effectively, i find most portable can't deliver the heat to the carpet anyhow. Given the choice I would chose agitation over heat.

but......... prepare yourselves! I going to use a naughty word.......... SPEED!!!

if you've got all the time in the world and you want to vac-prespray-dwell -scrub- extract you can get a great result but you will take sometimes 3 times as long to get that great result.

you want to work effectively ( quickly) then heat can sometimes bypass the prespray/dwell/scrub element you can get a great result with just high flow &  heat direct to the carpet

I can just extract a carpet with my high heat T/M and get an amazing result but in less than half the time needed to get the same result with a portable ( which needs all the pie to clean)

[robert stubbs]

Hi all,
    I have a Scorpion which I'm very happy with but if I need heat there is drop hoses from the solution tank that I put into the solution tank of my Aqua 40 with a 3kw heater built into it.
 This way I don't lose the power of the Scorpion but have heat when needed. The Aqua 40 is my back-up machine.
   
  I spoke to Chris at Alltec a few weeks back and as a special order which has been tested,you can have an Advance machine with 3 x3stage 5.7vacs in parallel, 600psi pump,and 3kw internal heater, 2" port for about £2600 with the vat. This is machine only.

  Regards Rob

[clinton]

What about the amps drawn from the box

[robert stubbs]

Plug in at Kitchen most are on 30amp ring.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

It's not really a debate about hot being better than cold, it's scientific fact.

Mike is right of course with his speed comparison, if you want to put lots of energy into a carpet by a lot of agiatation, then the rinsing process will be easier and the water temp less critical, but if you just want to get on and clean the carpet , use heat.

Cheers

Doug

[james roffey]

I appear to have opened a "can of worms" here, everyone saying something different, BUT if i was washing my dirty hands i think warm water would be more affective at rinsing them off, surely thats simple logic! but i am not ruling the Scorpion out because a lot of people swear by it.

[nevil]

Nick at solution kindly gave me a demo of the Scorpian a while ago. It's a good machine for sure. If I was in the market for a porty it's what I'd go for every time. Lots of suck and a good pump. The large capacity of the tanks is another important feature. You don't want to be filling /emptying anymore than you need to. I personally would want to use it with a heater. But I'm not knocking folks who don't do so.

As has been said already, superb results can be acheived with cold water rinsing. But if you choose this route you will not be able to skip the aggitation step of the cleaning process. So your rate of work will not be as fast as it could be. Also you will need a good quality aggitation device.