[gerard mcmanus]

I would like to know how long it would take to fill a 350 baffled tank, would that fit in the likes of a Kangol, how many hours work would you get from 350 litres. With/without trigger, and finally does anyone use a stand pipe to obtain water and what the comparison to fill times.

Thanks in advance guys

Gerard 

[Alex Gardiner]

What RO are you using or are you filling from a main's tap and then using DI?

[gerard mcmanus]

Alex thanks for your post, I dont have one at the moment, just brain storming on the best way for me to move to WFP in the future, I seen a system from pure freedom for around 2k

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I am not set on that or anything, and I not looking to buy in the next couple of months or anything but really just have to set out some sort of business plan for adding this method to my CV so to speek.

My problem is I dont have an outside tap, and live 3 stories up, so I am looking at renting a garage with a water suply near by or renting a stand pipe. I do like the stand pipe better because I can fill up anywhere or over lunch if needed, but the disadvantage is they need flushed before use and I am not sure how long that will take(but if I use the same ones often I guess they wont take as long to flush).

Any way, could I fill that in an hour with a stand pipe, or if not how much could I expect and how long will I be able to work with it.

Also, I would consider filling a baffled with tap water and running it through a trolley system similar to the one on WCWH.

www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Trolley-Systems/Ultra-Pure-RO-Electric/Detailed-product-flyer.html

Would that be a faster option than a van mount in the topic of fill times?

Thanks

Gerard 

[Alex Gardiner]

The Pure Freedom system is a good all round package for the price. Realistically though it would take about 2-3 hours to fill the 350 tank, depending on the water pressure.

You could also go for the trolley option as these are boosted, but for the price you could buy a lot of other systems.

From the stand pipe you could certainly fill a 350 tank in an hour, but you would need a high capacity RO to cope with the speed, something like a twin 4040 HP4 set-up would do the trick with high flow pre-filters. Or a 4x RO Flexi-Filter membrane system would do (the professionals Merlin)

My two choices for you would be:

1. To start off with go for a tank in the vehicle which you fill with tap water from any ordinary hose pipe (fill time about 20mins) with a twin vessel DI system.  This has the advantage of being able to be filled from any location.

2. Find a place that you can hire/borrow a 1000 litre IBC tank with a small £300 RO system.  This can fill 24 hours a day and can be transferred in five minutes to your vehicle tank by a submersible pump and hose.

Option 2. is the quickest and easiest but you do need somewhere to sit the tank near a water supply.

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Gerard,

What is your tds as you live in a soft water area. Would not sticking to di a better solution.

[gerard mcmanus]

Gerard,

What is your tds as you live in a soft water area. Would not sticking to di a better solution.

I dont know to be truthful but I presume it is soft water, I am in the west of scotland about 20 miles from glasgow.

The Pure Freedom system is a good all round package for the price. Realistically though it would take about 2-3 hours to fill the 350 tank, depending on the water pressure.

You could also go for the trolley option as these are boosted, but for the price you could buy a lot of other systems.

From the stand pipe you could certainly fill a 350 tank in an hour, but you would need a high capacity RO to cope with the speed, something like a twin 4040 HP4 set-up would do the trick with high flow pre-filters. Or a 4x RO Flexi-Filter membrane system would do (the professionals Merlin)

My two choices for you would be:

1. To start off with go for a tank in the vehicle which you fill with tap water from any ordinary hose pipe (fill time about 20mins) with a twin vessel DI system. This has the advantage of being able to be filled from any location.

2. Find a place that you can hire/borrow a 1000 litre IBC tank with a small £300 RO system. This can fill 24 hours a day and can be transferred in five minutes to your vehicle tank by a submersible pump and hose.

Option 2. is the quickest and easiest but you do need somewhere to sit the tank near a water supply.

Alex thanks for taking the time to give that excellent post, you are very helpful mate thanks.

I would probably go with option 1 in your post, as don’t have anywhere I can setup a garage mount as you might call it(from a previous post about peoples garages) I know what you are saying as well about the price of the trolley systems, they seem extortionate.

How many working hours do you think I would get from a 350, and do you think it would fit in a small kangol or similar.


Gerard 

[Ian_Giles]

If you are a one man outfit and intend doing all the windows with WFP (not just the upstairs) then 350l should last you a full day....once you are experienced that is!!
To begin with you will use far more water than you actually need to, but you also need to use lots of water to begin with as you need to learn your technique.

I have a full van mount system, I've also a cheap backpack that I've sort of converted to a trolley system To be honest I see no point in paying big bucks for a trolley system.
If you have a tank in your van, a submersible pump and a twin DI system - as I understand it, the water up in parts of Scotland has a very low tds - then you should be able to get up and running quite cheaply, especially if you don't need to go the RO route.
You could use a backpack, stick it on a shopping trolley (sat on a larger battery to allow you to work all day) and away you go

Going back to how much water you might use; With a 15l backpack I can do 2 standard sized semi's, Tosh- who has the 18l shurflow backpack - can't manage that with his system.
I think it is Jeff Brimble who uses way less than either me or Tosh, it all depends on your method/technique.
At one point, on a busy day, I could go through 650l of water with no problem at all, now 650l will last 2 of us a couple of days.

If your tap water TDS in your neck of the woods is low enough, and you can go the DI route, then topping up your van tank through the day shouldn't be a problem, so even if you do use shed loads of water you will still be ok.

Ian

[Alex Gardiner]

If you live in Scotland then you should be able to stick to DI only. A twin vessel set-up would be the most economical.

[gerard mcmanus]

Ian thanks, I think I will try the DI route first as it will be cheaper if I dont have to buy replacement filters as well as resin for the DI. I will try it out first on my own flat, mums ect and see how it goes before I do any of my customers.

Is there a setup for sale that anyone would suggest that meets those requirements. 350 tank, Di only.

Do you need one for polishing?

Very new and dont really know much about how these setus are assembled...

Does the water go through the DI first before going into the tank, or after as it is pumped to the pole?

Thanks again

Gerard  

[WCE]

The first thing I recommend you do is but a tds meter (you'll need one anyway). Then you will be able to see exactly what your tds is (although I think we all expect it to be low it would be a good idea just to confirm). Then you will know what is the best route to wfp for you

[Andrew McCann]

The first thing I recommend you do is but a tds meter (you'll need one anyway). Then you will be able to see exactly what your tds is (although I think we all expect it to be low it would be a good idea just to confirm). Then you will know what is the best route to wfp for you

Very good advice. You will need a TDS meter anyway. Doug Atkinson who is on this forum does good TDS meters at very good prices.

www.da-services.co.uk/products.htm

Andrew

[JandS]

Hydrant flushing usually takes seconds, just let it run till it runs clean.
And open it slowly and check where it's aimed at, some of them are powerful.
Not sure if you are allowed to just use them without permission so check.

John

[gerard mcmanus]

Hydrant flushing usually takes seconds, just let it run till it runs clean.
And open it slowly and check where it's aimed at, some of them are powerful.
Not sure if you are allowed to just use them without permission so check.

John

I've looked into it allittle, it cost £500 a year, but weigh that again the cost of rentig a garage and then a water bill, its the cheapest sollution, only prob is security having it filling a different less secure locations.

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Gerard,

I deliver resin to a lot of guys where you live and with the water being soft a bag tends to last around 4-6 months. With going DI you can fill up anywhere , friends house etc..

400L will take around 15-20 mins max so no need to go into looking into rent.

I'm up Stirling way so any time feel free to call us and the next time I'm down Glasgow way I can show you how it all works.

Doug

[gerard mcmanus]

Gerard,

I deliver resin to a lot of guys where you live and with the water being soft a bag tends to last around 4-6 months. With going DI you can fill up anywhere , friends house etc..

400L will take around 15-20 mins max so no need to go into looking into rent.

I'm up Stirling way so any time feel free to call us and the next time I'm down Glasgow way I can show you how it all works.

Doug

Doug thank very much for your offer, I'll definately give you a call.

Alex qouted 2 - 3 hours to fill, is the difference in fill time due to having no RO?

Thanks again everyone

Gerard 

[alanwilson]

with di only you fill the tank directly from the standpipe - if you have an ro the water is processed through the ro first with waste water removed - I'm not far from you in Braehead and the water here is 107ppm which isn't all that soft and would be quite hard on resin but it varies greatly, I think most of Glasgows water is around 30ppm which would be ideal for di only.

[gerard mcmanus]

with di only you fill the tank directly from the standpipe - if you have an ro the water is processed through the ro first with waste water removed - I'm not far from you in Braehead and the water here is 107ppm which isn't all that soft and would be quite hard on resin but it varies greatly, I think most of Glasgows water is around 30ppm which would be ideal for di only.

I'll definately have to get a tester first then, I was up at breahead on sunday night, I am about 40 mins down the coast from you mate. Do you use a standpipe?

Gerard 

[alanwilson]

gerard - no mate, I have 2 ro systems, one here and one at my sons.  I have a twin 4040 pumped system, he has a merlin on a pump.

If you are going to fill up from the same place all the time then definitely get a tester,if its below 50ppm I would go di only - but use 2 or 3 di vessels inline, bigger the better too - 25ltr vessels.

I'm so sorry to hear you were in Braehead - a most harrowing experience.  what were you doing up here?  XSCAPE??

[gerard mcmanus]

 

yeah,

I got beat at bowling by my GF's dad 

thanks gerard