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ftp

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DIY Vac first trial today
« on: October 10, 2008, 05:39:27 pm »
Well, got it all together at last and connected up to my Superlight tubes for a trial run. First noticeable thing is the weight of the tubing on the top section along with the clamp to give it the u bend. I only fitted some 38mm hose and not the heavyweight 51mm to start with. The next problem with using modular poles is that they tend to spin. Hoovered out my gutter and found that if you get the pipe flush to the bottom of the gutter it sucks on to it like a lamprey. I only used the open pipe so really i need to make some tools up to fit different gutters. I also want to fit the tools that come with the vac for high inside cleaning. Quite impressed so far, although it's a lot of money for what it is, but still far cheaper than buying the proper kit.

Kevin R

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 06:20:44 pm »
it's a lot of money for what it is, but still far cheaper than buying the proper kit.

Will it be in the long run? - only time will tell - do keep us informed  ;)

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 06:27:15 pm »
Will do.

Kevin R

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 06:28:46 pm »
I am very interested in how the SL2 sections perform. Is there any chance you could keep a record and log the hours they work?

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 06:36:45 pm »
I'll try and give a fair review - i am a Gardiner worshipper you know  ;) but even some of their products aren't perfect. Kev, are those rotating cuffs on the end of your u bend? I will need to source a couple so i can fit the normal tools i think.

Kevin R

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 06:42:30 pm »
I'll try and give a fair review - i am a Gardiner worshipper you know  ;) but even some of their products aren't perfect. Kev, are those rotating cuffs on the end of your u bend? I will need to source a couple so i can fit the normal tools i think.

For the cuffs try  carpet cleaning supplers - try Craftex or someone similar. They are not rotating on mine as I tend to use the tool at a set angle but you can get them. The fixed cuffs are about £12 each.

jeff1

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 06:59:27 pm »
Try and put some piccy's up ftp

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 07:09:22 pm »
Will do, but it's the same as Mr H's - it's his idea not mine. Parts sourced by a Cornish supplier. Will post some pics when/if it brings money in.

matt

Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 07:10:36 pm »
I'll try and give a fair review - i am a Gardiner worshipper you know  ;) but even some of their products aren't perfect. Kev, are those rotating cuffs on the end of your u bend? I will need to source a couple so i can fit the normal tools i think.

we will expect a full guide done by you know, you know the friendly bunch over at the DIY WFP site would like it ( <------- E.mail for a link to the DIY site ;))

oh and if you want a fair review, i will do it for you, you know i will judge your ramshackle bodged dustbuster and pipe  ;D ;D ;D

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 07:33:37 pm »
The next project might be how to bolt seventy kilos of generator into a trailer. Looks more and more like Ghostbusters every day.

jeff1

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 08:07:40 pm »
The next project might be how to bolt seventy kilos of generator into a trailer. Looks more and more like Ghostbusters every day.
Same way as you would bolt a tank into a van.

Mr H

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 10:24:49 pm »
The next project might be how to bolt seventy kilos of generator into a trailer. Looks more and more like Ghostbusters every day.

Save space and stop exhaust fumes from getting in the van by fitting the generator to the roof rack..!!!! Its just an idea..... lol

Regards
Mr H


ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2008, 04:47:18 pm »
Knocked up some nozzles this morning from a length of 38mm tubing from B&Q - £2.50
Easy to heat and squash for narrow gaps. Popped round my mums for a trial (her gutters haven't been done for twenty years. Within five minutes a guy over the road wants his done. Easy job, had no problems they were well impressed with the cctv and monitor pictures. Trouble was i was picking up work that belongs to windowcleaners known to me so didn't look for more work. The system seems easy enough to use i just rested my pole against the gutter and worked my way along so no lifting either. Need to cover the top section with something to stop it rubbing on the gutter edge but so far so good. Extension cable heats up a fair bit and i need to uprate the fuse probably. I think everything will get battered and scratched pretty rapidly with use.

jeff1

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2008, 04:52:31 pm »
Knocked up some nozzles this morning from a length of 38mm tubing from B&Q - £2.50
Easy to heat and squash for narrow gaps. Popped round my mums for a trial (her gutters haven't been done for twenty years. Within five minutes a guy over the road wants his done. Easy job, had no problems they were well impressed with the cctv and monitor pictures. Trouble was i was picking up work that belongs to windowcleaners known to me so didn't look for more work. The system seems easy enough to use i just rested my pole against the gutter and worked my way along so no lifting either. Need to cover the top section with something to stop it rubbing on the gutter edge but so far so good. Exstension cable heats up a fair bit and i need to uprate the fuse probably. I think everything will get battered and scratched pretty rapidly with use.
Get those pictures on. ;)
You can't uprate a fuse or if the cable gets to hot it will just burst into flames,you can uprate the cable.

Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2008, 04:56:07 pm »
Knocked up some nozzles this morning from a length of 38mm tubing from B&Q - £2.50
Easy to heat and squash for narrow gaps. Popped round my mums for a trial (her gutters haven't been done for twenty years. Within five minutes a guy over the road wants his done. Easy job, had no problems they were well impressed with the cctv and monitor pictures. Trouble was i was picking up work that belongs to windowcleaners known to me so didn't look for more work. The system seems easy enough to use i just rested my pole against the gutter and worked my way along so no lifting either. Need to cover the top section with something to stop it rubbing on the gutter edge but so far so good. Exstension cable heats up a fair bit and i need to uprate the fuse probably. I think everything will get battered and scratched pretty rapidly with use.
Get those pictures on. ;)
You can't uprate a fuse or if the cable gets to hot it will just burst into flames,you can uprate the cable.

weve been thru this b4, you need the artic cable with the 16amp plugs and the rcd :P But as you said it was a trial run - dont do it on custys houses without running the correct cables, you will be fu**ed if anything happens!

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2008, 04:59:57 pm »
Artic cable with rcd plug on the end but it's a 13amp one.

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2008, 05:08:10 pm »
Forgot to say you know when your sucking up moisture because the pole gets cold.
I also thought that gutter cleaning is wide open for taking the pee out of customers. They ask for a clean but obviously haven't been up a ladder to take a look. I knew the gutter was pretty clear by the feel and sound of the vacuum. If they were out i would have finished one side in about four minutes i had to faff around pretending to suck the rubbish out because they were downstairs watching. Luckily a bit around the garage was clogged so i could show them the contents of the vac. You could of course start the job with a partially filled vac.
Same applies for ladder cleaners too of course.
I think i could make more money faster doing this than windowcleaning provided the demand is there.

dmlservices

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2008, 05:16:19 pm »
i charge a min price for gutter work, even if clear you still have to inspect gutter either with camera, or of a ladder, the min price covers this ,then add on for extra work involved.


daz

jeff1

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2008, 05:17:18 pm »
What rateing is your RCD?
Just as a guide:- 2.5 mm-20 amps Up to 4800 Watts so your cable provided its 2.5 is fine.

Electrical cables are intended to become warm in operation; heat is generated whenever a current flows in anything, and this is perfectly normal. However, the level of heat generated by electrical cables is only safe when it is kept within reasonable limits. Standard PVC-insulated cables are designed to run at temperatures up to 70 degrees Celsius; beyond this there is a risk of damage.

In practice, over-currents can be grouped into two types.


Overload
An overload occurs when a current flows that is somewhat too high (usually 50% to 100% too high) for the system. Overloads don't normally cause immediate, catastrophic damage. Instead, the likelihood of damage increases gradually as the duration of the overload increases. If the fault is not resolved, cables will overheat and melt, exposing bare conductors. The heat generated may be sufficient to cause a fire.
In a domestic setting, overloads usually result from using too many appliances at the same time, or plugging a heavy-duty appliance into a supply that isn't strong enough for it. An example of the latter is connecting an electric shower to a standard 13-amp plug, and plugging it into a socket

ftp

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Re: DIY Vac first trial today
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2008, 05:26:20 pm »
Glad you,re here Jeff,  :o The rcd is the kind B&Q sell and supply on their extension cables (obviously not 2.5mm like the Artic cable). It has a 13A fuse. Do i need something beefier?