[Mike Osbourne]

Good job Bob!

[Bob Robertson]

Cheers Mike

I wish I could get these jobs all the time, you enjoy doing it and the results are fantastic.

Bob

[carlton care]

Nobody dealt with aniline until very recently certainly not 20 years ago. I've cleaned pigmented leather for 20 years and for the first 10 of those very few cleaners would touch leather.

Analine has no protective coating, it's the top grade, least damaged hides which are just dyed, so they absorb.

Because of that they are dyed using a lot more product than would be applied by spraying. You can re finish analine with pigment bearing finish, but it then becomes non aniline.

[carlton care]

Welcome to the discussion  Mr Jones. Inexperience ? Sure, only been cleaning leather for twenty years, but you seem to know that already.

How about you?

Have you heard about the new finish, so new, apparently, that Andy was'nt sure how it would turn out.

robert m

[Mike Osbourne]

Leather is a canny market for any CC. Less effort, more £/hr in most cases and analine is even better if you are prepared to invest in the skills required. It's the same as the good rug market.

[LTT Leathercare]

Hi Bob

Job looks good.

Just to qualify all the comments:

Aniline leather needs redyeing and should never be recoated with pigment (unless this is what the customer wants, then the risks need to be explained)
Quick spray is a pure aniline dye which is a very aggressive product to use as it soaks in very very quickly (usual aniline dyes are used in a special carrying agent to slow down the absorption and this makes them very useable by newcomers to the process)
The reason this was used was because the customer actually wanted to change the colour so a much higher intensity product was required.  Putting this on by hand is impossible due to the absorption rate and it took us a lot of experimenting (still ongoing) to get the process right.
The usual aniline dye system should not be sprayed on as there is a danger that it will sit on the surface and cause problems.  Bob understood all these things as we worked through the process with him. 
This is the first time we have actually had this operation done outside our workshop.  Controlling colour is incredibly difficult, the process is non reversible if you get any part of it wrong and we are not sure whether we would do it again as the time spent colour mixing for it and liaising was enormous.  The pure dyes are very expensive (as with all quality products) and anyone wanting to do this process would need to purchase the whole range of colours to do their own colour mixing.
We will not be including it yet in our trainig course as the application process needs more refinement before we teach it to inexperienced technicians.  The process is so new that we would not have discussed it during a course.
All products and processes that we sell and do have to go through thorough testing before we are happy to include them in our courses. 
We do work like this with individuals when we are happy that they can do the job that they are proposing and understand the risks involved.  I know Bob had a few heart stopping moments so we do not do these things lightly.

[Mike Osbourne]

Judy

Is there any advantage to it other than speed, seems too many negatives to bother.?

[LTT Leathercare]

Mike
It was nothing to do with speed. This is a different process using a different product and the two should never be confused.  This was a process to resolve a prticular problem. 
The wiping process may even be quicker. 
The reason for spraying was that it is impossible to apply pure aniline dye by hand so to get the colour intensity another method had to be approached but it is not one we would recommend for anyone who does not fully understand the aniline dyeing process. 
The standard product and method are the best to use in every day situations and if this product is sprayed there could be problems and as we do not recommend spraying our product we would not be held resposible for any problems that occured. 

Kev we really would not recommend spraying (this process has been tested and we do not consider it a 'safe' method which is why we do not train that way)

[Bob Robertson]

Judy

 Thanks for clearing that up. I knew you could answer them better than me.   Where were you last night when all the questions were coming thick and fast 

Bob

[Mike Osbourne]

Thanks Judy

[carlton care]

Thanks for that Judy. Not sure why it would be more appropriate to spray, but I'm sure all will be revealed soon.

robert m

[Bob Robertson]

. I know Bob had a few heart stopping moments so we do not do these things lightly.

Judy

Thats a polite way of putting it. A new pair of pants was nearly needed 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

IMO spraying aniline dye in the home is asking for trouble. Bob understandingly was Sh-nervous but did a magical job but when Mike and myself did one it was really easy to apply with lint free cloth, let's not run before we can walk.

Shaun

[carlton care]

Still unaware of the reason for using the spray method on this job, as nothing is apparent from the photo's.

As Shaun suggests.................why make that quantum leap, unless there was no option ?

robert m

[Bob Robertson]

Shaun

The spraying in the house was not a problem as everything  was covered, nothing to do with the job. The guy was a painter and decorator and sheeted every thing for me. I have learnt a lot from this that you wont get under controlled conditions.

Rob

The reason this was used was because the customer actually wanted to change the colour so a much higher intensity product was required. Putting this on by hand is impossible due to the absorption rate and it took us a lot of experimenting (still ongoing) to get the process right.

What part of Judy's reply don't you get ? You seem to have a bee in you bonnet about this !

Bob

[dan roberts]

Expensive 250 quid profit? So cost custy 350? You can get a new suite for couple hundred more. DFS and all that jazz, seems like a waste of money.

[davep]

Is that how you sell your work to potential custys Dan 

[carlton care]

Bob

What could be simpler than..................still not being aware of the reason for spraying.......... as there is nothing in the photo's that looks in any way unusual, other than it maybe being a bit shiny, in appearance.

If there was a particular problem, I'm just curious as to what the particular problem was. What could be simpler than that.

I have dealt with leather for many years and am well aware of how it's best dealt with, so am taken aback when the rules are changed, but don't know why.

Maybe you could enlighten us !

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Robert i have an aniline suite and it shines in the light like that. Like most new products there is always a different way of application so there's not a big deal about spraying it on just different that's all (you of all people should bloody know that!!!!!!!!)

Dan you can get suites for £250 also you can get them for £20 000, of course you weigh up the pros and cons of cost against replacement but this one looks as though it could be in the region of £2000.

Shaun

[carlton care]

Think you should check your last post Shaun!!!! and yes I certainly do know about the alternative ways of applying product to leather and possible / probable outcomes.

On this occasion the change in colour is only a couple of shades, nothing dramatic, so using the standard procedure would do the job, quickly and safely.

As far as other products / variations of products is concerned, yes spraying can be done, I've been aware of that for some time, but always consider the safest and proven method first.

peace and prosperity