[mark dew]

i agree ...but if squeaky got his round right and a  positive outlook he could earn a very good  income on the windows 8am-12am on the windows, and then concentrate on promoting the photoes....if he can gvet the right balance and get moyivated, hes onto a winner


good luck squeaky

That's exactly what I want to do.
Pay my bills with the windows and do something I enjoy for my spending money.

Thanks to everyone who's posted on this thread.
I couldn't respond to every post, but it doesn't mean there was any that weren't appreciated.

Nice to know people can help, and glad you all liked the photography!

Cheers once again.
Rog.

Glad the sun is shining today roger. 
You are not the only one who struggles sometimes.
I started window cleaning with the intention of earning bill money + some more for myself. 
But i have got a mortgage now and i have found that my little pot of gold no longer exists.  I have got to the speed where i am part time for what was much better money in my last full time job. But it is no longer enough. I'm in the process of moving out of my comfort zone, but it is taking time.
Window cleaning pays the bill ok though. Using it to finance another passion is what makes this job so perfect. I can't think of another job where you can do this.
Good luck with the pics. They do look fantastic.

[Rob.Hall]

Nice to have some honesty.

Sometimes I have felt like jacking too.

Its great to have the encoragement of others from this site.

I hope you have a good holiday and when you come home work will come in speedly.

[Paul Coleman]

Nice to have some honesty.

Sometimes I have felt like jacking too.

Its great to have the encoragement of others from this site.

I hope you have a good holiday and when you come home work will come in speedly.

Sure thing.  I'm sure most of us go through times when we feel like quitting.  The customers moan.  The customers don't pay.  The van keeps playing up.  Some idiot rings up at midnight for a quotation.  Someone cancels because your nose is too big.  Some upper class twit tries to control you too much.  I'm sure we've all had variations on this stuff.  For me the beauty of it is that I no longer have to work for anyone who I dislike.  Before I started W/Cing in '91, an old window cleaner who advised me briefly told me that he only worked for people who he liked.  I thought he was nuts.  I haven't taken it that far but I certainly don't work for anyone who I dislike (and it takes quite a bit for someone to evoke those feelings in me).

[mark saville]

Squeaky,

i didn't know you wanted to mix your window cleaning with photography otherwise i wouldn't have commented.

I thought you wanted to push & push your window cleaning like i do, and for that reason i was right behind you.

But the impression i am now getting, is that you are one of them window cleaners most of us who put 100% into our work are up against.

Example: If you were asked to do some photogarphy on the day your customers were expecting you, which would you take ?

I put everything into my business and that is how you reap the rewards by committing yourself.

There is no question your photo's are superb.

Nevermind what someone replied with saying something like you need a backstage pass and all that.

I can see you are very good, why dont you offer your services to all window cleaners who come on the forum ?

I use cherry pickers, i use poles, everything & to get that 1 superb picture for my website would be worth paying you.

You could offer your services in each area of the country over a few days in each location and see what happens, could be a great move.

Then you could offer your services to the guys who hire out the access equipment & so on.

Looking at some websites on window cleaners, their pictures are rubbish - if they paid you to take some pictures there business could improve drastically.

They say a picture speaks a thousand words.

But you need to commit 100% whichever option you take, i would pay for your time to get me some pictures of me and my lads at work & anybody else who wouldn't pay for great pictures of them at work for there websites are stupid.

[Neil271052]

But you need to commit 100% whichever option you take, i would pay for your time to get me some pictures of me and my lads at work & anybody else who wouldn't pay for great pictures of them at work for there websites are stupid.

Very good post Mark but I would add that Roger could do both.

Some people are 100% into their window cleaning and good luck to them.

Others have other interests that won't pay them a living wage and window cleaning can supplement that.

I WC for about 3 hours a day and the rest of the time I spend on my vintage watches.

Window cleaning  can allow you devote time to your other interests if you wish.

[Sir Squeaky]

Squeaky,

i didn't know you wanted to mix your window cleaning with photography otherwise i wouldn't have commented.

I thought you wanted to push & push your window cleaning like i do, and for that reason i was right behind you.

But the impression i am now getting, is that you are one of them window cleaners most of us who put 100% into our work are up against.

Example: If you were asked to do some photogarphy on the day your customers were expecting you, which would you take ?

If I'd made a specific appointment, then I'd turn up.
If it was just a normal day, then probably not, as they're not going to care about a day or so, when it can vary each month anyway.

I put everything into my business and that is how you reap the rewards by committing yourself.

There is no question your photo's are superb.

Nevermind what someone replied with saying something like you need a backstage pass and all that.

I can see you are very good, why dont you offer your services to all window cleaners who come on the forum ?

I use cherry pickers, i use poles, everything & to get that 1 superb picture for my website would be worth paying you.

You could offer your services in each area of the country over a few days in each location and see what happens, could be a great move.

Then you could offer your services to the guys who hire out the access equipment & so on.

Looking at some websites on window cleaners, their pictures are rubbish - if they paid you to take some pictures there business could improve drastically.

They say a picture speaks a thousand words.

But you need to commit 100% whichever option you take, i would pay for your time to get me some pictures of me and my lads at work & anybody else who wouldn't pay for great pictures of them at work for there websites are stupid.

No, I'm definately going to turn over a new leaf with the business when I come back.
It's going to get better and I won't let if fester any longer.

Doesn't mean I can't try and do something with the pictures in my spare time.

[mark saville]

Neil271052,

in my opinion you must be 100% focused on the job in hand.

If you want to earn a decent living between 2 jobs thats fine, i dont want a decent wage = i want an exceptional wage.

Thats the reason i stated my comment 

[TennetClean]

I have known a few lads in the past who have started window cleaning but its just not worked out for them.  Granted, window cleaning is not rocket science, but it does take some specific skills, ie you have to be a people person, have to be self-motivated, able to work on your own and not easily bored.

Sometimes I think for some people it just aint the right job, no matter how wonderful anyone else thinks it is.  It takes maturity to admit that the job you're in is not right for you, and courage to then move onto something else.

May sound harsh, but IMO if someone has not made a successful window cleaning business (and by that I mean they're earning a decent wage and have enough work) after a year, then the chances are they are probably not cut out for it.  There's nothing wrong with that though, they could be perfectly suited to something else.

But for the meantime, the best advice I can give is, get up early, always start at 9am sharp.  That has been a firm rule I have imposed on myself, and it has always served me well.  I know of too many lads who lay in bed till ten then dont get started till 11 then wonder why they have no money.  IMO an early start is the key to good motivation.

[mr merson]

I have known a few lads in the past who have started window cleaning but its just not worked out for them.  Granted, window cleaning is not rocket science, but it does take some specific skills, ie you have to be a people person, have to be self-motivated, able to work on your own and not easily bored.

Sometimes I think for some people it just aint the right job, no matter how wonderful anyone else thinks it is.  It takes maturity to admit that the job you're in is not right for you, and courage to then move onto something else.

May sound harsh, but IMO if someone has not made a successful window cleaning business (and by that I mean they're earning a decent wage and have enough work) after a year, then the chances are they are probably not cut out for it.  There's nothing wrong with that though, they could be perfectly suited to something else.

But for the meantime, the best advice I can give is, get up early, always start at 9am sharp.  That has been a firm rule I have imposed on myself, and it has always served me well.  I know of too many lads who lay in bed till ten then dont get started till 11 then wonder why they have no money.  IMO an early start is the key to good motivation.

Early to bed , early to rise , makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise !   

[sageorgeta]

Was my post deleted beacause i gave the name of an art website ??
I was trying to give some advice for the original poster of this topic.

[Neil271052]

Neil271052,

in my opinion you must be 100% focused on the job in hand.

If you want to earn a decent living between 2 jobs thats fine, i dont want a decent wage = i want an exceptional wage.

Thats the reason i stated my comment 

I am 100% focused with whatever job is to hand Mark.

When I am window cleaning I am 100% focused, when discussing valuable watches I am 100% focused.

It's just that I find window cleaning mind numbingly boring as in fact I find any cleaning (my wife has an office cleaning firm) It's just a way to earn money.

My watches on the other hand are my passion, rather like Rogs photography.

I can't get passionate about cleaning windows.  :

Regarding the "exceptional wage".

I hate bragging but........

I own outright my large 4 bedroom detached house in Surrey and can afford to spend £3000 a time on watches so I don't think I am doing too bad. 

[Neil271052]

I have known a few lads in the past who have started window cleaning but its just not worked out for them.  Granted, window cleaning is not rocket science, but it does take some specific skills, ie you have to be a people person, have to be self-motivated, able to work on your own and not easily bored.

Sometimes I think for some people it just aint the right job, no matter how wonderful anyone else thinks it is.  It takes maturity to admit that the job you're in is not right for you, and courage to then move onto something else.

May sound harsh, but IMO if someone has not made a successful window cleaning business (and by that I mean they're earning a decent wage and have enough work) after a year, then the chances are they are probably not cut out for it.  There's nothing wrong with that though, they could be perfectly suited to something else.

But for the meantime, the best advice I can give is, get up early, always start at 9am sharp.  That has been a firm rule I have imposed on myself, and it has always served me well.  I know of too many lads who lay in bed till ten then dont get started till 11 then wonder why they have no money.  IMO an early start is the key to good motivation.

What an insightful and well thought out post TC. 

[Paul Coleman]

I have known a few lads in the past who have started window cleaning but its just not worked out for them.  Granted, window cleaning is not rocket science, but it does take some specific skills, ie you have to be a people person, have to be self-motivated, able to work on your own and not easily bored.

Sometimes I think for some people it just aint the right job, no matter how wonderful anyone else thinks it is.  It takes maturity to admit that the job you're in is not right for you, and courage to then move onto something else.

May sound harsh, but IMO if someone has not made a successful window cleaning business (and by that I mean they're earning a decent wage and have enough work) after a year, then the chances are they are probably not cut out for it.  There's nothing wrong with that though, they could be perfectly suited to something else.

But for the meantime, the best advice I can give is, get up early, always start at 9am sharp.  That has been a firm rule I have imposed on myself, and it has always served me well.  I know of too many lads who lay in bed till ten then dont get started till 11 then wonder why they have no money.  IMO an early start is the key to good motivation.

Good post IMO.
Who are you and what have you done with TennetClean?   

[mr merson]

I have known a few lads in the past who have started window cleaning but its just not worked out for them.  Granted, window cleaning is not rocket science, but it does take some specific skills, ie you have to be a people person, have to be self-motivated, able to work on your own and not easily bored.

Sometimes I think for some people it just aint the right job, no matter how wonderful anyone else thinks it is.  It takes maturity to admit that the job you're in is not right for you, and courage to then move onto something else.

May sound harsh, but IMO if someone has not made a successful window cleaning business (and by that I mean they're earning a decent wage and have enough work) after a year, then the chances are they are probably not cut out for it.  There's nothing wrong with that though, they could be perfectly suited to something else.

But for the meantime, the best advice I can give is, get up early, always start at 9am sharp.  That has been a firm rule I have imposed on myself, and it has always served me well.  I know of too many lads who lay in bed till ten then dont get started till 11 then wonder why they have no money.  IMO an early start is the key to good motivation.

Good post IMO.
Who are you and what have you done with TennetClean?   

And can you give me the name and  number of your therapist please ?

[sageorgeta]

Squeky.....have a look at this website for your photos..
www.wetcanvas.com

 

[Oakley Windows]

I have known a few lads in the past who have started window cleaning but its just not worked out for them.  Granted, window cleaning is not rocket science, but it does take some specific skills, ie you have to be a people person, have to be self-motivated, able to work on your own and not easily bored.

Sometimes I think for some people it just aint the right job, no matter how wonderful anyone else thinks it is.  It takes maturity to admit that the job you're in is not right for you, and courage to then move onto something else.

May sound harsh, but IMO if someone has not made a successful window cleaning business (and by that I mean they're earning a decent wage and have enough work) after a year, then the chances are they are probably not cut out for it.  There's nothing wrong with that though, they could be perfectly suited to something else.

But for the meantime, the best advice I can give is, get up early, always start at 9am sharp.  That has been a firm rule I have imposed on myself, and it has always served me well.  I know of too many lads who lay in bed till ten then dont get started till 11 then wonder why they have no money.  IMO an early start is the key to good motivation.

Good post IMO.
Who are you and what have you done with TennetClean?   

Ive been wondering that myself lately, it really is a pleasant surprise, please dont revert, no-one wants to be a tw@t really 

[Busby]

Hope your ok squeaky 

[TennetClean]

heh I am not all bad you know

[R.V.A Window Cleaning Services]

Argh!

no time to edit the thread as I have to go out!
But if I don't have too much of a thick head, rather a lot of replies are going to be deleted tomorrow!
Nothing offensive in them, they just need to be on the other section of the forum.

Ian

If nobody is being offensive why not let it run even if it strays off topic it gets back on track, & i'm only here this late/early because i'm having a new eye fitted on Tues, where are you going to put that topic?

[Ian_Giles]

Squeky.....have a look at this website for your photos..
www.wetcanvas.com

 

there was nothing bad about your original post, it was deleted because this is a window cleaning section of the forum, if you wish to offer advice about something other than window cleaning then you have to go onto the any other business section of the forum.
All mention of photography advice deleted from this thread as it was completely hijacking the thread.

Ian