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Sir Squeaky

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #100 on: July 18, 2008, 12:05:50 am »
Cheers Chris, appreciate it. ;)

Lots of food for thought on here, and I will be putting it all into practice.

To be fair, most of it I knew already, but I just needed to be told it.
Didn't think I should have to do it I guess... ???

Trouble is, the way things are with work and holiday and tax at the end of the month, finding the money to advertise isn't easy.

Still, where there's a will there's a way. :)
I would not beat yourself up about it go on holiday and recharge batteries, you can spread tax over 3/4 payments if your struggling, recharge and come back and put your ideas into practice
Will do Ian. ;)

I'll manage the tax, that's what business managers and overdrafts are for.
Can't really accuse me of fiddling it if it puts me in the red can they? ;D

mark dew

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #101 on: July 18, 2008, 12:13:01 am »
I dunno what you earn squeaky, but remind youself you could be doing a 40 hour week to earn that. Probably less.
Chin up.  ;D

Paul Coleman

Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #102 on: July 18, 2008, 05:24:43 am »

Advertise, even without money is a must.

spread the cost over 12 months, i believe £1000.00 spent in the correct place will bring you in £2000.00 worth of work, just my way of thinking.

your just having a bad time at the moment, but IT WILL come good.

I feel down sometimes, but just got to change my way of thinking.

take a day off sometimes, and chill out & forget work for once, recharge yourself.

Because you feel down, you lose the heart.

Keep going, you'll be fine.  :)



 

Even going out when you have no work and just doing a leaflet drop can be a big help.  I reckon that, on average, each leaflet I drop is worth £1 per year on my turnover.  It may take a few weeks or months for this to start showing but that's about right I reckon.

Ian_Giles

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2008, 06:47:04 am »
A few replies deleted, as someone said (and I deleted their reply, sorry, there was nothing wrong with it, it was merely removed in context with some of the others) stick to the script!

Roger is often his own worst enemy, the song, "There's a hole in my bucket" is Roger to an absolute tee, no matter what you may feel inside Roger, this is the image you give out.
i Know that sounds like a dig, but it isn't, you exude negativity.
A week or two ago I had some major problems with the water and I had to jump through hoops in a short period of time to rectify it, if it had happened to you, you'd have been throwing your toys out the pram big style.
But I just got on and did what had to be done (including driving down to the 'Window cleaning warehouse' to get things I needed, if I hadn't you wouldn't have had any water yourself)

I don't go out knocking doors, but I do go out believing the work will come in.
I pulled up in Tesco's yesterday, turned off the ignition and a woman was tapping on the door asking for a card, and "Did I go out as far as Itton?" (You betcha!)

I collect off one of my shops and the one woman gives me a number to call, a potential large con roof clean, the woman sat next to her gives me her daughters number too.
I have to price a single account in Caldicot today, it will probably only amount to a £12.00 house, but I'll call on it anyway.

The half dozen accounts I had to price in Mathern came from just being parked up in a secluded area having a break, the woman knocked on the window wondering if I was lost? Then asked if I had a card.
She called after a day or two and I went to price her house up, then she told me to go price the others nearby, which I did, I've picked up two so far, waiting on 4 others to get back to me.
Another woman in an office I clean asked if I went as far as Easton in gordano, I told her I'd go anywhere if the price was right, distance was never a problem (what would you have told her Rog? Baring in mind you have to travel 16 miles and pay a £10.60 bridge toll?
Well I went there and it's turned into a £200 every 3 month job.

Mike the Newsagent gave you an address to call on from a woman who was desperate for a window cleaner...did you bother calling on it?
No you didn't, Mike reminded you and you grumped about it....probably not worth it...will drive past and see if it's worth pricing up...prob only worth a couple of quid...
The woman asked Mike where the window cleaner was he'd told her about, so as you hadn't bothered with it (after 3 or 4 weeks) he gave the address to me...£22.00 per month...nice little job.

I try to follow up on ever lead I get, my entire attitude is positive, I don't just believe the work will keep coming in, I KNOW the work will come in.

When you saw that I'd bought a backpack you almost laughed and said why bother? The van mount is much quicker, when I tell you to give your customers the option of online payments you come up with every reason under the sun why it wouldn't be any good for you.
Mention going for 'George' to organise your round and you find reasons to dismiss that too (I've found it fantastic).
You try to tell me you'd be much quicker doing my shops trad rather than using WFP, but you are wrong....
My sign written van brings me in loads of work, your own van is really eye catching, but never seems to get you any work.


You have to change your attitude, but the problem is you can't see it yourself, but your negativity shows itself on here too, many have picked up on it, even your family think the tune, "There's a hole in my bucket" is you!!

I'll bet that today I will have another request to price some work up...in the last couple of weeks I've picked up over 10 new accounts and I know that is going to continue....

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

mr merson

Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2008, 07:05:54 am »
A few replies deleted, as someone said (and I deleted their reply, sorry, there was nothing wrong with it, it was merely removed in context with some of the others) stick to the script!

Roger is often his own worst enemy, the song, "There's a hole in my bucket" is Roger to an absolute tee, no matter what you may feel inside Roger, this is the image you give out.
i Know that sounds like a dig, but it isn't, you exude negativity.
A week or two ago I had some major problems with the water and I had to jump through hoops in a short period of time to rectify it, if it had happened to you, you'd have been throwing your toys out the pram big style.
But I just got on and did what had to be done (including driving down to the 'Window cleaning warehouse' to get things I needed, if I hadn't you wouldn't have had any water yourself)

I don't go out knocking doors, but I do go out believing the work will come in.
I pulled up in Tesco's yesterday, turned off the ignition and a woman was tapping on the door asking for a card, and "Did I go out as far as Itton?" (You betcha!)

I collect off one of my shops and the one woman gives me a number to call, a potential large con roof clean, the woman sat next to her gives me her daughters number too.
I have to price a single account in Caldicot today, it will probably only amount to a £12.00 house, but I'll call on it anyway.

The half dozen accounts I had to price in Mathern came from just being parked up in a secluded area having a break, the woman knocked on the window wondering if I was lost? Then asked if I had a card.
She called after a day or two and I went to price her house up, then she told me to go price the others nearby, which I did, I've picked up two so far, waiting on 4 others to get back to me.
Another woman in an office I clean asked if I went as far as Easton in gordano, I told her I'd go anywhere if the price was right, distance was never a problem (what would you have told her Rog? Baring in mind you have to travel 16 miles and pay a £10.60 bridge toll?
Well I went there and it's turned into a £200 every 3 month job.

Mike the Newsagent gave you an address to call on from a woman who was desperate for a window cleaner...did you bother calling on it?
No you didn't, Mike reminded you and you grumped about it....probably not worth it...will drive past and see if it's worth pricing up...prob only worth a couple of quid...
The woman asked Mike where the window cleaner was he'd told her about, so as you hadn't bothered with it (after 3 or 4 weeks) he gave the address to me...£22.00 per month...nice little job.

I try to follow up on ever lead I get, my entire attitude is positive, I don't just believe the work will keep coming in, I KNOW the work will come in.

When you saw that I'd bought a backpack you almost laughed and said why bother? The van mount is much quicker, when I tell you to give your customers the option of online payments you come up with every reason under the sun why it wouldn't be any good for you.
Mention going for 'George' to organise your round and you find reasons to dismiss that too (I've found it fantastic).
You try to tell me you'd be much quicker doing my shops trad rather than using WFP, but you are wrong....
My sign written van brings me in loads of work, your own van is really eye catching, but never seems to get you any work.


You have to change your attitude, but the problem is you can't see it yourself, but your negativity shows itself on here too, many have picked up on it, even your family think the tune, "There's a hole in my bucket" is you!!

I'll bet that today I will have another request to price some work up...in the last couple of weeks I've picked up over 10 new accounts and I know that is going to continue....

Ian
Thats easy for you to say  :-* LOL

The Seven Bays Window Cleaning Company

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #105 on: July 18, 2008, 07:37:17 am »
Squeaky.

I've only been in this game for three year nows.

But have managed to build a full round, and now starting to see the rewards of my hard work - and it has been and still is REALLY hard work.

But, no matter how tired, or unmotivated I may have felt at times I ALWAYS had a smile, and was completely positive about my buisness of cleaning windows.

I think that is the key.

If you full of enthusiasm about something, it will naturally come across to the customer - in turn making them feel more relaxed around you, and therefore more inclined to give you work.

Always, always chase an enquiry ( I try to see any new enquiry within 24 hours of them contacting me), no matter how small it may be - othen the small accounts lead to bigger accounts.

Sort yourself out Squeaky!  There IS work out there - get out there and get it.
THE SEVEN BAYS WINDOW CLEANING COMPANY

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #106 on: July 18, 2008, 08:07:22 am »
Squeaky,

I remember from other posts from you that you only work in a 0.5 mile radius of your house.

Why don't you go out canvassing? Cast your net a little wider - Perhaps try 1 - 2 miles from your home???

 ;)

Andy


if that is the case sorry to sound cold but you need to buck your ideas up, one of my jobs involves 3 hours travelling in one day, but my god is it worth it and it was priced well so that i dont give a monkeys if i am stuck on a motorway.

you could sell your van and get yourself a hand cart if you are only willing to work within a 0.5 miles of your  house
Why don't you read the reply before commenting?

Andy had some wrong information or was thinking of someone else.
My work is up to 10 miles away but I'll work anywhere.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #107 on: July 18, 2008, 08:17:45 am »
I don't go out knocking doors, but I do go out believing the work will come in.
I pulled up in Tesco's yesterday, turned off the ignition and a woman was tapping on the door asking for a card, and "Did I go out as far as Itton?" (You betcha!)
Never happened to me.
Nothing to do with attittude that is it? ::)


The half dozen accounts I had to price in Mathern came from just being parked up in a secluded area having a break, the woman knocked on the window wondering if I was lost? Then asked if I had a card.
There it is again...never happens to me.

Another woman in an office I clean asked if I went as far as Easton in gordano, I told her I'd go anywhere if the price was right, distance was never a problem (what would you have told her Rog? Baring in mind you have to travel 16 miles and pay a £10.60 bridge toll?
I would have included it in the price and enjoyed it.
I'd love to have work in new areas, you know that.


Mike the Newsagent gave you an address to call on from a woman who was desperate for a window cleaner...did you bother calling on it?
No you didn't, Mike reminded you and you grumped about it....probably not worth it...will drive past and see if it's worth pricing up...prob only worth a couple of quid...
The woman asked Mike where the window cleaner was he'd told her about, so as you hadn't bothered with it (after 3 or 4 weeks) he gave the address to me...£22.00 per month...nice little job.
Mike told me it was couple of windows in a granny flat.
Couple of quid job.


I try to follow up on ever lead I get, my entire attitude is positive, I don't just believe the work will keep coming in, I KNOW the work will come in.

Mention going for 'George' to organise your round and you find reasons to dismiss that too (I've found it fantastic).
That's because you tried to tell me it would get me extra work. How?

You try to tell me you'd be much quicker doing my shops trad rather than using WFP, but you are wrong....
No I'm not. Georgians excepted.
My sign written van brings me in loads of work, your own van is really eye catching, but never seems to get you any work.

I'll bet that today I will have another request to price some work up...in the last couple of weeks I've picked up over 10 new accounts and I know that is going to continue....
You would do, because it always does.

Ian

Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #108 on: July 18, 2008, 08:22:26 am »
Just think of your holiday for now Squeaky and make yourself feel good  8)
if any of the posts have helped take note and do them when you get back, fresh start and all that. Positive mind = positive outlook
no point in brow beating you as not nice to kick a man when hes down.

Add a happy thought on my post for today, you never know it might make you smile  ;D

gary999

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #109 on: July 18, 2008, 08:43:28 am »
ive only been cleaning a couple of years and its been tough at times
moneys been tight my van got smashed up relationship problems due
to constant stress so i know how easy it is to be disillusioned but ive never
doubted i would succeed work keeps coming in steady now and every week
i leaflet, it does work for example i got a job
yesterday for fifty quid and the guy had my card 6 months before he called

i dont know you as a person and i dont like to judge but in your
posts you do tend to come across as the glass is half empty and the
only way is down rather than the glass is half full and the only way is up

sorry to use an old cliche ::)

hope things work out for you

steve m

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #110 on: July 18, 2008, 08:45:32 am »
squeeky

I know exactly how you feel.Every time a major bill falls on the door mat you can guarantee it'll rain. When the water TDS is perfect the van plays up, and when the van's OK the waters dodgy. You go out from 8 AM till 6 PM and wonder who nicked all your cash from your wallet. Your not the only one that gets these days and I know it feels like your the only one that does.

I run three different businesses and haven't had a day off in four years, exept bank holidays, but this year I'm off to france for a couple of weeks on the bank. Just wake up in the morning, go to work, come home in the afternoon and forget about the rest. Everybody seems to have all the luck exept me, or so it seems, but yu just have to keep plodding on

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #111 on: July 18, 2008, 12:46:56 pm »
I didn't have a lot to do today, but I did get talking to one of my customers who is interested in buying some of my photographs and knows of others who would too!

I'm also going to knock up a portfolio to carry around with me in the van.
Could be the start of something good... :D

elite mike

Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #112 on: July 18, 2008, 03:50:50 pm »
hey squeaky

have a good holiday

hope you have plenty ;D ;D ;D

Bobs Window Cleaning

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #113 on: July 18, 2008, 03:59:40 pm »
Knock a portfollio ::).........get out there and knock doors, get the money you need.

Your photography is a hobby...............windows are your bread and butter.

Bob
Why oh Why did he spell my name as bod & not bob on my wedding invites.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #114 on: July 18, 2008, 05:07:59 pm »
Knock a portfollio ::).........get out there and knock doors, get the money you need.

Your photography is a hobby...............windows are your bread and butter.

Bob
We'll see. ;)

Bobs Window Cleaning

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #115 on: July 18, 2008, 05:24:44 pm »
Have a good hol buddy...............plenty of beers me think :o
Why oh Why did he spell my name as bod & not bob on my wedding invites.

dai

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #116 on: July 19, 2008, 02:12:41 pm »
There is nothing like the success of others for dragging down ones self esteem.
I felt the same a few weeks ago, when a young lad working on his own for four years, told me he was having to go VAT registered.
I thought he must be earning 60k a year, where the hell have I GONE WRONG?
When I had time to reflect on it, I realised that this guy had previously worked for a guy who had got into WFP early, and made a killing on hotel and contract work, he had cut his teeth on this kind of work and knew all the ins and outs. It is the fear of screwing up on price or something that has held me back.
Roger mate, we are all different, some of us have put limitations on ourselves even if we are not conscious of it.
There has been some very good and well intentioned posts here, most of what has being said you already knew.
The problem mate is in your head and you know it.
Your a well liked, popular member of C.I.U, the number of post with advice proves it.
Time to stick your nose in the trough mate, if you don't you'll starve.

Ian_Giles

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #117 on: July 19, 2008, 08:59:57 pm »
Argh!

no time to edit the thread as I have to go out!
But if I don't have too much of a thick head, rather a lot of replies are going to be deleted tomorrow!
Nothing offensive in them, they just need to be on the other section of the forum.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

peter holley

Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #118 on: July 19, 2008, 10:25:37 pm »
i agree ...but if squeaky got his round right and a  positive outlook he could earn a very good  income on the windows 8am-12am on the windows, and then concentrate on promoting the photoes....if he can gvet the right balance and get moyivated, hes onto a winner


good luck squeaky

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Totally disillusioned
« Reply #119 on: July 20, 2008, 10:54:13 am »
i agree ...but if squeaky got his round right and a  positive outlook he could earn a very good  income on the windows 8am-12am on the windows, and then concentrate on promoting the photoes....if he can gvet the right balance and get moyivated, hes onto a winner


good luck squeaky
That's exactly what I want to do.
Pay my bills with the windows and do something I enjoy for my spending money.

Thanks to everyone who's posted on this thread.
I couldn't respond to every post, but it doesn't mean there was any that weren't appreciated. ;)

Nice to know people can help, and glad you all liked the photography!

Cheers once again. :)
Rog.