[macmac]

I would seriously consider a longer pole, i've been in your shoes & made the same mistake, ended up using a 40ft pole for anything over 18ft! nightmare!

Personaly i would look at 24ft BUT, then the cheaper poles become bendy. As this is your most important tool though i would consider it's purchase at length.

Tony

[mr D]

my local friend who i mentioned b4 said i should get a 24' pole he said i'd be looking at around £200. but on the gardiners site the 24' pole, oval brush, plastic ajustable neck, 9mm Hose and EZ-Snap tail and Protecta-Ball and  Fitted Flow Valve comes in at £151.58 including vat.

so do you think he is refering to a diffrent pole? and is the X-Tel 24' any good or will it bend like beckham?

[Clive McDonald]

My objection would be that the 24' is too heavy for daily use.Most of us have poles like this in garage unused.

I was interested in your marketing through trad and your change of direction.These changes have been forced on you and you'll now have to sell that.

[dd]

They are all hoselock fittings. Do you mean you would use a different make?

You have a short lenght of garden hose from the tank, and then another from the pump to the reel.These are always hoselock (type).

The only choices you have are with the reel. Here you can decide the fittings. For speed shrader are best- called ez by gardiners.
Your other choice is mini or microbore hose on the reel. I'm minibore100m, but that's all I know.

I have no hozelock fittings on my system. The hose is secured onto the barb/adapter (if this is the right term) by O rings or jubilee clips.

I have a van mounted hosereel which also does not use a hozelock fitting (except at end of hose). You do not have to use hoselock fittings atall.

[mr D]

as i said befor i make quit a good living from my trad round so i'm not gonna lose any sleep by keeping the trad jobs i have. i enjoy trad w/c and am only adding wfp as a bonus to my business not a complete new change

[mr D]

i too dont like hoze lock in genral. one thing my old man did do right is bin off the hozelock connections for jubile clips

[Clive McDonald]

That bit must be wrong then,but all the bits i've ever bought have hoselock- even things like an inline filter are just so easy to slip in.

[windowwashers]

That bit must be wrong then,but all the bits i've ever bought have hoselock- even things like an inline filter are just so easy to slip in.

my di's have hose lock as do reels connected to van, inlines pumps etc have J clips

[dd]

I think most systems use them somewhere, but the guy who fitted mine doesn't use them atall, not even on the di vessel. (I since removed di as I fill from static and do not need it in van)

[Clive McDonald]

Thing is dean i had at the diary and the website, and thought both very good, and good job on the van by the way-bargain-. You are a clear thinker which is good.I think you already know not to get bogged down in detail. The bigger picture guys tend to do better.

Don't let the fear of hoselock connections, or having told everybody trad is king, or the notion there are some things you can't do with a 17' xtel put you off. The bigger picture is that you mentioned the baby, and you'll do a good job however you do it.

[Andrew McCann]

Here is a complete shopping list of all the bits n bobs and major parts you will need.

Tank
Something to secure it down with.
Tank outlet with a tap on it and a half inch barbed fitting. I think the 350 has a 1 inch threaded outlet.
Pump.
Pump strainer (essential)
Barbed fitting for pump inlet and outlet.
Electronic flow controller (Some may disagree)
Batttery .. 85 Amp hours upwards. Deep cycle type. Charger for battery
Metal reel.
100 meters hose (I would go for minibore).. 8mm

Tap to fit end of hose ..8mm barbed fitting to go into hose/tap and a Rectus 21 male on other end of tap.

Pole...  The 24 ft H-Extel is whippy at full extension but probably the best in your budget range with a Vikan rectangular brush and a Rectus 21 Female 5mm hosetail on the pole hose. These are stop fittings so you dont get water running back down the pole hose when not plugged in.

300 GPD RO system and a DI
TDS meter
(Produce your water through RO and DI into a static tank) You won't contaminate it transferring it.

About 5 meters of the clear reinforced 1/2 inch hose.
3 x jubilee clips
1 x roll PTFE tape.
3 x H/lok STOP type fittings. (Dont worry they work fine) You will have to replace the one on the end of the hose from your pump to your reel periodically.

Sub pump with transfer hose with a trigger or tap on the end of the hose.

I reckon you might JUST scrape into the £1k budget.

The only other thing you might need is a booster pump for your RO.

I would go to one supplier to get the lot. It will save you shed loads of time shopping around and a whole lot in delivery charges. Also a supplier would look at the whole deal and give you a decent price based on the bulk order.

If you need any help feel free to call me. I am not supplying DIY kits and don't intend to do so so don't worry I wont try to sell you anything 

Andrew

[mr D]

well here is the pics i promised of the rack i'm keen to keep and the space for tank, pump, hosereel etc etc

[Clive McDonald]

A lot of us put poles in the roof space, the ends go through holes cut into the bulkhead above your head.

My impression is that the rack will have to go.

Obviously Andrews the pro but for what it's worth, he's described more or less what I have, i agree about the varistream, and the booster pump's a definite, but if that stuff on the top rack is weight lifters protein then good because you will need it for a 24' pole.

Will a closed 24' fit in your van anyway?

Allow some money in the budget for a roof rack and 8 tread steps.

It might be interesting to know how much Andrew would charge to fit a 400l system in you van?
At least you'd have the info to make a decision.

[macmac]

My objection would be that the 24' is too heavy for daily use.Most of us have poles like this in garage unused.

I was interested in your marketing through trad and your change of direction.These changes have been forced on you and you'll now have to sell that.

Well you've never used a "proper" 24ft pole then discount! simple. Only people who dabble in false economy have garages full of un-used poles.

Tony

[macmac]

A lot of us put poles in the roof space, the ends go through holes cut into the bulkhead above your head.

My impression is that the rack will have to go.

Obviously Andrews the pro but for what it's worth, he's described more or less what I have, i agree about the varistream, and the booster pump's a definite, but if that stuff on the top rack is weight lifters protein then good because you will need it for a 24' pole.

Will a closed 24' fit in your van anyway?

Allow some money in the budget for a roof rack and 8 tread steps.

It might be interesting to know how much Andrew would charge to fit a 400l system in you van?
At least you'd have the info to make a decision.

Dude, if you're gonna give advise, make sure it's from experience & even more so TRUE!

Tony

[Nathanael Jones]

Mr D,.. is that 2nd pic from the side door, just behind the bulkhead???

If so, You'd prob get a 500 litre upright tank in that space,... BUT you're gonna be tight for space for the reel.

As for poles, IMO you'll need at least 24' if not more. A 17' pole will do 95% of the windows, but ones above roof's & conservatories can take a lot more reach. I've a couple of 24' DIY poles that are very light, and no problem to use all day.

My advice would be to find a pole that's 4' odd closed (perfect for ground floor) and as long as possible extended, and spend whatever is needed on it. Then for the longer pole, DIY something cheap till you get up to speed, then buy an SL2 or similar.

[Clive McDonald]

To put Macmac's comment in perspective the slx has been out about two months, there was nothing before that. The xtel's that we are talking about came out about a year ago, people talk about them as if they are old hat, but they were a big design breakthrough. A light budget pole with a short closed lenght.


One bloke on here says he never uses his grand facelift now he has the slx Now that's false economy

[Clive McDonald]

hey, wasn't someone giving a pole away free? Or has that gone now Nathaneal?

[Nathanael Jones]

hey, wasn't someone giving a pole away free? Or has that gone now Nathaneal?

It was a 24' HXtel that Arthur @ www.surecleansystems.com kindly put up for a prize draw for Guild members,..... but sorry Mr D,..the draw was Monday, and the winner was Peter Daley.
 

He's off watching the F1 this weekend, so hopefully I'll have a pic of him with the pole to post tomorrow!

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