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Mike Roper

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Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« on: July 02, 2008, 01:05:19 pm »
There doesnt seem to be much feedback from all those who took advantage of Rogers kind offer of sample product kits at the carpet cleaners day out. So come on then what do you think ? Have you used any products?
Mike

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 04:46:30 pm »
Yes I tried ink remover yesterday

Also one or two of other products.

Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 04:48:34 pm »
Ink mark removed also ........... job was put off so not had full clean yet  ::)

Roger Koh

  • Posts: 374
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 07:50:07 pm »
Mike, thanks for your initiative!

To those who receive the kit.

It is good for the forum to hear your experience on these leather safe (pH 3-5) products if you have tried them.

And for me to further explain the differences as LTT thinks pH value of cleaning products is irrelevant to leather cleaning.

It is also good to know your experience with the fatliquor5.0™.

LTT thinks fatliquor conditioning is… “I thought the object was to clean it!!!!!”

This little information on fatliquor I attached as part of my sales presentation is always welcome by my customer.

So take it as extra add-ons to your services, why not?

Let me know what you think?

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System



Structure Fatliquor Conditioning for Leather Softness & Strength!

Fatliquor conditioner is natural oil that has undergone an emulsification process.

Thus enable oil to be dispersed evenly throughout the entire internal leather fiber structure during application.

As an aqueous emulsion; the oil is held suspended as microscopic droplets in the water, similar to nature's milk.

Fatliquor resembles milk in appearance and penetrates and deposits oil to the leather fiber structure before breaking.

Penetration:

Non-absorbent (finished or protected) leathers especially the pigmented type; due to its heavier color and top coat formulation; sometimes with additional protective top coating cross-linked for extra toughness makes penetration into the leather internal structure impossible.

The reverse suede side, perforation holes, needle-holes, macro and micro cracks are soft spots left for penetrating these leathers.

Semi-absorbent leathers as most semi-aniline; due to its color and top coat light formulation makes it more difficult for conditioner to penetrate the leather uniformly.

Thus requires rehydrating or surface tension treatment prior to effective fatliquoring for overall even appearances.

Absorbent unfinished (aniline, naked, nubuck, suede, pure, vegetable-tanned) leathers absorb fatliquor readily.

Process:

Fatliquor is spray immediately after cleaning while the leather is still damp.

This procedure ensures uniform absorbency and distribution to coat the fibrils structure without excess.

When the emulsion is exhausted by the leather fibrils the excess water will evaporate in the drying process.

Thus leaving the inter-fibrillary spaces void for leather breathability.

Principles:

Signs of diminishing fatliquor are manifested as coarse breaks, creases and wrinkles.

Lost of leather tensile strengths are revealed as visible needle-hole splits, easily rips and snags.

Thus fatliquor lost through ageing require regular replenishing to maintain the leather's integrity and pliability.

When these fatliquor-deprived leathers go to cleaning without re-fatliquoring, the after drying leather negative conditions like coarseness and stiffness will accentuate further.

A timely fatliquoring process immediately after cleaning and before the leather dries helps solve this natural oil depletion phenomenal.

Fatliquor in leather garment usually contains10 to 20%, while upholstery leather contains 15 to 30%.

But the oils in the leather fibril structure makes up only a small 3 to 10% in relation to the weight of leather.

Effects:

Fatliquor is applied to the damp leather, ideally in a condition where the leather fibers are fully hydrated but little free water exists in the spaces between the fibers.

Application of fatliquor to completely dry leather results in rapid absorption into the fibers, often resulting in dark-colored, greasy patches.

Moreover, the resultant leather is not as soft, resilient or full as when the fatliquor is applied to the damp, hydrated fiber.

Drying:

Drying time varies depending on the amount of moisture remaining after cleanng, prevailing temperature and humidity conditions.

Leather should be dried using ambient conditions of temperature and humidity.

Forced drying, especially using heat is not recommended.

Providing proper ventitlation and air movement is highly recommended to expedite drying.

fatliquor5.0™ is a technological breakthrough that enable diminished original tannery fatliquor to be replenished from an easy ready to use spray bottle.

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 07:57:33 pm »
Are there anymore kits available Roger ?

I appreciate they wouldn't be at the price you supplied them for the CCDO deal.

Steve

Roger Koh

  • Posts: 374
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 08:20:36 pm »
Steve,

Thanks for your interest.

Those were freely sent except the tax through the courtesy of Paul!

Don’t have to buy water and bottles from me, get them cheaply yourself!

Now these products come in concentrates.

You become the “bottling plant” just add distilled water.

Example rinse3.0™ ratio is 1: 80.

You will certainly smile when you see your cost against the retail price.

I supply the original labels with custom print too.

 “Bottle by: Carpet Care Plus 01 737 819622”

You become the user and the distributor with the full technical backing of the Leather Doctor® System.

Toll free customer service is currently been arranged for your customers too!

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

  • Posts: 1834
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2008, 08:24:37 pm »
How much for the kit and the labels Roger, including taxes ?

Or e-mail me seperatley if you prefer.

Steve

Roger Koh

  • Posts: 374
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 08:54:56 pm »
Products in concentrates are shipped free to your door steps.

Labels are free too; just print direct from PDF files from your end.

You are the bottling plant; I only sell you the concentrates.

Check your email for the price list.

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 09:03:46 pm »
Roger ........ i would be happy to receive same email  ;)

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 09:13:35 pm »
Yes Roger, I'd like that email also.

Shaun


Roger Koh

  • Posts: 374
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2008, 09:22:34 pm »
Chris,

Thanks, price on the way.

The starter kit with the currency conversion shows the price per liter in £.

See the price advantage even in such small volume.

The full list is also available that comprise of 36 cleaning and conditioning products.

Not only just leathers.

But also for Fur skin, Woolskin and Hair-on-skin!

You will become a manufacturer and a distributor instantly.

As I said before, I supply you multiply!

Your customer wins!

You win!

And I win!

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2008, 09:58:24 pm »
Roger

I'm interested in your approach to leather cleaning and products.

Can you email me details of prices and products.

Thanks

Mike


kinder clean

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2008, 10:44:47 pm »

Hi Roger

I would be interested too

Please e - mail details to: sales@kinderclean.co.uk

Thanks

Paul

nick p

  • Posts: 345
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2008, 10:50:05 pm »
Hi Roger

Could you also send me the email to please

thanks Nick

mark shannon

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2008, 10:54:16 pm »
Roger mail me your prices as well please,

info@shannoncleaning.co.uk

Mark

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2008, 11:26:18 pm »
havent got a clue what you on about.

Thought we used the product not the customer

anyway ssend me info please as I always wanted a bottling plant in Scotland

iangourlay@yahoo.co.uk

roger underhill

  • Posts: 95
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2008, 11:44:14 pm »
Hi Roger
Can you put me on your list too please.
e-mail   kestrelcleaning@hotmail.com.
Best regards
Roger Underhill
Family business founded in 1985

Roger Koh

  • Posts: 374
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2008, 11:58:28 pm »
Ian,

You are right both ways.

Dilute the concentrate with “Empty Water”.

Use it for your service at cost.

Distribute the remaining bottles to retail outlets.

Example to furniture, garment, equestrian, cars, etc.

When they require professional service, your name and phone number is on the bottle.

Both ways you win, price shopper sell these and educate them to do themselves.

When comes to quoting a job, we can be flexible to quote separate the products and the hourly rate.

Let your customer choose from you, rather than from another source.

Your profile is upgraded too.

Manufacturer
Distributor
Leather Specialist

And truly your bottling plant will grow!

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

Roger Koh

  • Posts: 374
Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2008, 12:01:22 am »
Mike Osbourne,

Return mails, please check

Roger Koh

Derek_Walker

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2008, 07:07:52 am »
Could you email me also Roger, many thanks.

kdkcleaningservices@uwclub.net