[Mike Osbourne]

Very intesting Simon.

Off to find a dirty pub.

[Simon Gerrard]

John,
That's interesting because you used the word 'safe' which suggests that you think there is something inherently unsafe about it. What is it you think may happen if it remains on there for any period of time.
I wouldn't apply any chemical to any carpet if I thought for a split second that it would do any harm, just as a doctor wouldn't prescribe a drug he thought would do you harm.
The supposed damage done to carpets by either excessive heat, or alkaline chemicals is microscopic, literally and is way beyond what you or anyone else could ever begin to perceive as damage. And even if that damage was harmful to the carpet it is far less harmful than the damage done to it by all the grit, debris, oil, grease and god knows what else there is lurking in a carpet.
I've never seen or heard of a carpet that died an untimely death because of alkaline damage. The fact of the matter is that carpet begins to be damaged the moment the first person walks across it.

Simon

[Darren O]

Simon they would love you on Cleantalk.

[Simon Gerrard]

Darren,

No they didn't.

 

[david washbrook]

simon

what dilution rates do you use the fibre and fabric rinse cause on the lable it says 5=1 which means 5ltr to the 25ltr stock solution is this right

[john rees]

I agree with simon, You'll do far more damage to a wool carpet with a sebo duo  when you aggitate the carpet, just have a look at what tufts of carpet are left on the surface when you use them!

           all the best
                             John

[Simon Gerrard]

Dave,

I've just been on their site and it says dilute 1 :100
I am currently using Hydramasters Clear Water Rinse which is Ph, smells of apples and is only 1 pint to a 20 litre chemical container AND does a great job.

Simon

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I think it depends on where you are in the market place. If you are regularly cleaning Mrs.Jones etc. manky carpets then you may have to use more powerful solutions, if you are doing Mrs.Eliz.Regina's Sultana walked on by Phil and the corgis once a week then i would use MS, in the main the more expensive the textile the less you want to run the chance of replacing it!

Shaun

[Simon Gerrard]

Shaun,
Replacing it, by having done what to it?
There seems to be this myth that if you apply an alkaline chemical to a carpet it will suffer terminal damage that no one has ever witnessed first hand.
If you take the correct steps after having used an alkaline chemical NOTHING will happen to the carpet!

Simon

[carpet_care]

For my first 5 years in this business way before all these micro splitters and internet forums etc I used to use 2 main chemicals .

   Prochem trafficlean as pre spray and carpet clean xl as a rinse both unfortunately high ph chemicals.

 All I can say is that in all that time I never had anybody accuse me of damaging a carpet or suite o yes most the time used same chems on suites, I saw the same repeat custys at least once a year never saw any visible form of damage .


 All that did happen is I built up alarge list of regular customers and recomendations.



  Ignorance is bliss  

[Shaun_Ashmore]

High Alkaline cleaners have been known to take colour from high quality carpets, when I worked for a cleaning company one of the senior techs applied a high ph product to a Royal Kashan and it did lighten even after an acid rinse and it had to be retufted (a full yard of it)

Shaun

I once cleaned a carpet for a posh old lady and the colours started to migrate after applying a prespray of ph9.

[Simon Gerrard]

Shaun,
You should have dye test it first, naughty boy.

Simon

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

If I ever get enough money and time I would like to do a proper technical experiment on pH versus cleaning/damage.

I think most CC's would say that the so called knowledge does not fit the day to day evidnece which they see.

As I see it all these organisations/ companies have their own agendas which cloud any real robust scientific experiment.

Cheers

Doug

[Mike Osbourne]

I'd  of told her to take it back, it's a wrongen.

Now this is where I'm admitting my limited knowledge/experience.

I am more worried about some sort of browning on cream/off white wools. Is this not really a problem if acid rinsed and fast dried?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Enzyme pre sprays can send wool yellow and need 'reducing out' even if you use an Acid rinse.

I think it's a bit of common sense but for a person who states 'limited experience' then using the more high ph's isn't really a good starting point, Simon, Doug, myself have been doing it for years and we may well have our little mishaps but we know how to correct them, should start from the bottom up.

Shaun

PS Simon multi coloured and I mean multi coloured I'd have been there for a week testing, I now go for ph7 when I clean suspected ones but yes you are correct.

[markpowell]

I use pre-spray gold and fibre fabric rinse on domestic wool carpets and powerburst pre-spray and fabric fibre rinse on pubs, restaurants. I agree with simon use whatever you need chemical wise to get a good result, heavy agitation will do more damage if using microsplitters on trashed carpets. I have tried M Power and do not rate it at all, i do use Pureclean and get great results on synthetics and upholstery, i do not rate it on wool though.
Mark

[Mike Osbourne]

When I went on the Ashby's course they said spray the acid rinse on and rake in.

Then I got on here and everyone was going on about acid rinse. I thought that makes far more sense and stopped spraying.

Then one day I happened to notice the prespray they sold me for carpets was 12.5ph!

I stopped using it immediatley. However I still clean the same wool carpets I used it on and they are fine.
 

[Steve Chapman]

I agree with simon, we use power burst on most carpets including wool and rinse with fibre and fabric rinse, (occasionally use prespray gold.)

I've yet to see a damaged wool carpet from using this in 13 years, (was previously high force !) and since we're there to clean dirty carpets you have to use what does the job best and quickest!

microsplitters are good on clean carpets  

Was does make me smile when people say they are good but you have to do a lot of aggitation ! - why on earth would you swap a prespray that dissolves on contact and then rinsed straight out with the machine (hot water   ) with one that you have to do a load of hard work with, and then say they prefer cold water also  :

 its beyond me, maybe from the manufacturers hype, i dont know.

each to there own, but i did a lounge carpet today, 16 x 12 (empty) in under 15 minutes, a quick prespray, set up the t/m and rinse and i'm off !

Not boasting, just more interested in speed than spending all day getting different machines out of the van  


just my humble opinion  

regards
steve

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I use alsorts not just 1 product Power Burst is a product I used on Saturday, Pure clean today, Nemesis Monday, I find that I change the solution to the item but PB is normally kept for trashed or man made but most of the stuff I do is clean-ish, I clean the same people every year and most neutral ph cleaners will remove what I need including some tea and coffee stains which may be 'set' by high ph's.

Shaun

[Mike Osbourne]

Steve

I'm confused. How can you say that and have  NCCA as your footer?