[Pure H20 Cleaning Services]

the ratchet strapping it self has a proof test rating of 6-1 so if ratchets have
a safe working load of 5 tonne the test to break is six times this.people
are correct on here about the delta links or claw hooks are the weak points
and have a proof test rating of 2-1.

periodic checks of wear to the strapping and any deformity in the claws
especially straightening you should replace immediately even the material is designed to stretch once it has gone beyond its elastic limit or 8% wear if
memory serves me correctly its less than useless.

when i use to be on site inspection ratchet straps were generally replaced every 6 months due to wear and tear

Well said, rachet straps should be checked at point B after  leaving point A, in window cleanining terms that could be 20 times a day. if you can't be arsed" on your head be it"so to say

[Sir Squeaky]

Just don't expect the straps to save your life of you have a 20+ mph head-on crash with a half-full tank. They won't. The tank will come away from its mooring and crush you to death in a fraction of a second. You won't last long enough to say, "Oh, sh...." And please don't think that putting the tank against the bulkhead will make a scrap of difference. It won't.

Yawn, told you some H&S fairy would appear spouting scare stories. :

Folks, ratchets straps won't fly apart at 20-odd mph, causing your half full tank to burst through a steel wall it's up against, jump 2 feet in the air and crush you to death. :

I give up with the nonsense on here, I really do.

[Pure H20 Cleaning Services]

The other problem we have is there are to many cheapjacks who not only don't care about there safety they don't give 2 hoots about anybody else

[alanwilson]

squeeky no offence intended but I have my docorate in engineering and I can conclusively tell you that the bulkhead will make very little difference.

loading eyes in vans aren't made for strapping down 500ltr tanks either.

the one thing everyone other than squeeky ahs overlooked is the frontal protection in an accident.

400kg @ 30mph translates to roughly 30ton of force - so adding an extra 500kg or so to your van will have a considerable effect on how the crumple zones and passenger cabin perform in accident, a lot more force exerted on the vehicle body.

[john tomkins]

Just don't expect the straps to save your life of you have a 20+ mph head-on crash with a half-full tank. They won't. The tank will come away from its mooring and crush you to death in a fraction of a second. You won't last long enough to say, "Oh, sh...." And please don't think that putting the tank against the bulkhead will make a scrap of difference. It won't.

Yawn, told you some H&S fairy would appear spouting scare stories. :

Folks, ratchets straps won't fly apart at 20-odd mph, causing your half full tank to burst through a steel wall it's up against, jump 2 feet in the air and crush you to death. :

I give up with the nonsense on here, I really do.

Squeaks.... come on mate, you hear about this every day on the news,
" Water tank jumps through bulkhead and kills window cleaner"

Where have you been :

[alanwilson]

yeah and I suppose it'll be just as funny when it does happen, eh John?

[john tomkins]

yeah and I suppose it'll be just as funny when it does happen, eh John?

I'm not saying it won't happen.
I'm saying the likelyhood of it happening is very very small.
If you want to take every precaution imaginable in your day to day existance then you aint gonna get any work done.
Builders dont strap anything in the back of their vans, cement mixers, bags of sand/cement, bricks, hammers trowels, the list goes on and on they just get thrown in . How many do you know get killed?
We at least try to secure our loads, but as always there are those that want to H&S to excess.

[gary999]

i got hit head on 6 months ago wasnt at massive speed but still smashed up my front end i got whiplash but my 400ltr upright tank hadnt budged a inch it was held down by three 5 ton ratchet straps.i imagine if i was driving at 70mph it would be a different story tank or no tank.

if they are fitted correctly and strong enough straps will do there job,also
driving at sensible speed helps,i drive round birmingham every day lucky if i
ever get above 30mph

[TennetClean]

personally i think the straps themselves are definately strong enough, after all they hold cars on the backs of lorries etc..

BUT what do you secure them to?  There's the problem I think.

[chrismroberts]

Wow.... have just come back to this thread and its grown! 

Thanks for all the advice guys... some of the replies have been a breath of fresh air 

personally i think the straps themselves are definately strong enough, after all they hold cars on the backs of lorries etc..

BUT what do you secure them to?  There's the problem I think.

I agree with this... and the comment about the Eden project delivery... I see cars on the back of low loaders all the time, and if it was so insecure, then I'm sure the Police would be on to it.

I think the best place to secure them would be the manufacturers load points.... they haven't been added in after, and I assume they're secured to the chassis. If a commercial vehicle payload is rated at 500kg, or 1000kg, or whatever, then I can imagine, in our H+S mad society, the manufacturer would be required to provide a safe means of lashing down the entire payload?

[*Mr Tumble]

It's about the perceived/real risk...

We wear seat belts in cars, some coaches I think, and we strap down loads in lorries.

But we don't wear belts on trains - presumably becasue the risk of a train coming to a sudden stop is small.

I say watch your driving - that'll go a long way to helping you stay alive.  Of course, should anyone decided to drive into you head-first, you might have a backache to deal with.

[Pj]

I think the fuel or financial crash may well come before a head on crash in your van.

 You may be worrying about the wrong issue

[tomy jackson]

as for wagons just have a look at the corner of boby wher thay fasen most staps to not so thick as most dont fasten to shasy

[Sir Squeaky]

 

[AuRavelling79]

I've run it thru' the translator Squeaks and it comes out as:

As for wagons, just look at the (points at the) corner of (the) body where they fasten most straps to. (Those points are) not so thick as (and) most (operators) don't fasten to the chassis.

[William Tyndale]

I would have thought that the plastic tank would rupture when/if it hits the bulkhead and jumps 2 feet in the air.

Granted some of the tie down points in vans are not that strong, but I would rather ratchet down than have a tank full inside a steel frame as the tank has no chance to rupture.

[windowwashers]

I would have thought that the plastic tank would rupture when/if it hits the bulkhead and jumps 2 feet in the air.

Granted some of the tie down points in vans are not that strong, but I would rather ratchet down than have a tank full inside a steel frame as the tank has no chance to rupture.

that post if logically think makes little sence.

if water hit a bulk head it would be a mass and would force the whole lot forward like hitting someone with a brick with a 2ft steel plate attached to the front.

A strap would snap (most of the time) we are not talking a little force when in motion.

A steel frame would split tank just as much if not more so than a strap if moving it will still hurt be maynot be as deadly.


I have seen some many people with diy tanks in van straped across the tank just to make it not move sideways when moving which is asking for trouble.

if going the strap route at least strap across the tank and also along the tank, I wonder how many people that read this think I have not done this. unsecured you are liable for others and it can kill. all I can say is think and make it safe and dont go for cheap just to make do.

[d s windowcleaning]

i left my van to have my tank fitted by a garage who spend a lot of time working on rally cars , i shown them the mag with the ionics crash test in and said i want my tank safe . guess what they used rachet straps and went through the floor with new anchor points , do i feel safe at 70 too right i do . 

[AuRavelling79]

i left my van to have my tank fitted by a garage who spend a lot of time working on rally cars , i shown them the mag with the ionics crash test in and said i want my tank safe . guess what they used rachet straps and went through the floor with new anchor points , do i feel safe at 70 too right i do . 

No-one's safe at 70 (mph) - all you can do is be aware of the risk.

[William Tyndale]

I would have thought that the plastic tank would rupture when/if it hits the bulkhead and jumps 2 feet in the air.

Granted some of the tie down points in vans are not that strong, but I would rather ratchet down than have a tank full inside a steel frame as the tank has no chance to rupture.

that post if logically think makes little sence.

if water hit a bulk head it would be a mass and would force the whole lot forward like hitting someone with a brick with a 2ft steel plate attached to the front.

A strap would snap (most of the time) we are not talking a little force when in motion.

A steel frame would split tank just as much if not more so than a strap if moving it will still hurt be maynot be as deadly.


I have seen some many people with diy tanks in van straped across the tank just to make it not move sideways when moving which is asking for trouble.

if going the strap route at least strap across the tank and also along the tank, I wonder how many people that read this think I have not done this. unsecured you are liable for others and it can kill. all I can say is think and make it safe and dont go for cheap just to make do.

Could someone translate please, this post me think not logical :