[jaykie]

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See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it

We are hitting £1.30 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying £1.50 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain   day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't  continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us  to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take  aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we  consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the  price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.

If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it  to  at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at  least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached  over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and  not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us  sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the  next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE   RANGE 

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your  petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet, MURCO etc. i.e.  boycott BP and Esso

[jaykie]

Also spoke to a taxi driver friend of mine and theres talk of taxis and buses blocking of roads that connect to petrol stations.

Chris

[alanwilson]

at the risk of sounding too negative this won't work - why?

because the british people have no backbone - I'm sorry but generally we don't, we don't complain when we get ripped off, something far more drastic needs to be done, like for someone to hack into the oil company computer systems and hold them to ransom, they need to do this with the govs computers too.

I would do it but I'm far too busy.

[*Mr Tumble]

Pass this on to as many people as possible!
Importance: High


 

 
See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it

We are hitting £1.30 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying £1.50 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain   day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't  continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us  to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take  aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we  consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the  price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.

If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it  to  at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at  least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached  over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and  not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us  sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the  next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE   RANGE 

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your  petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet, MURCO etc. i.e.  boycott BP and Esso

Sorry, but this was posted on the internet at least a year ago. Its up there with the 'crying boy' painting which is supposed to bring fire and doom to any bulding in which it hung (but of course EVERYONE had to be told about it!).

[LWC]

it wont come down and thats that, unless we have a big riot (which we wont)

so unfortuanlty we gotta plod on

[jeff1]

Its not the oil companies ripping us off, its our own government.

[Jonathan Spencer]

It is not just this country who aer getting peed off with the price of fuel.  Nepal and India have had big demos.

[David Slater]

Gordon Brown has done a fantastic job over the last few months convincing us that somehow this problem is all down to greedy fat cat oil companies.

It isnt.

UK fuel duty combined with VAT accounts for 70% of the forecourt price. The government is making more money than the oil companies each and every day that prices stay high.

So its the governments fault?
No

Oil is a publicly traded commodity that anyone can buy on the open market. If you wanted, you could buy yourself a few barrels Brent Crude right now!

Oil is spiking for lots of reasons. The main one is traders and their clients feel that shares are going to go down and the UK and USA (and for that matter, most of the developed world) is entering recession, so they want to buy tangible assets like gold and oil and wheat and corn -real things that people still need to buy every day even in a recession. What they dont want is things like Barrat homebuilder shares or bank shares. These companies dont make money in a downturn because nobody wants their products.

We also have to look at the potential that we have entered and gone beyond 'Peak Oil' some reckon the reason Saudi Arabia (the worlds biggest oil producer) hasnt pumped more oil is because they physically cant...because theres none left (well, thats not strictly true, but for a short post its a good analogy).

There are more fields to tap and other avenues to explore such as the Canadian Oil sands but these are extremely labour/ fuel and infrastructure intensive and its just not economical to bring it out of the ground under $150 a barrel.

Oil is expected to hit $200 by xmas (its currently trading around $138) so expect further rises.

It will fall back as we enter recession as this will curb the use of oil (if you havent got a job, you dont need to drive to work!).

Everyone seems to think its just us in the UK that want this oil....my friends, wars are being fought TODAY over this commodity. |The whole world wants and needs oil.

Just like selling your old CD's on eBay - it goes to the highest bidder.

We have seen the last of cheap oil.

[Londoner]

Our local BP garage is always the most expensive but people are still in there buying the stuff.

You will never get people to stick to a plan like this, it a good idea but there are too many that will just fill up regardless.

Many taxis (and private cars) are running on cooking oil but the cost of that has gone up as well. Its now hardly worth the trouble. 

[Alistair@AWC]

Gordon Brown has done a fantastic job over the last few months convincing us that somehow this problem is all down to greedy fat cat oil companies.

It isnt.

UK fuel duty combined with VAT accounts for 70% of the forecourt price. The government is making more money than the oil companies each and every day that prices stay high.

Gordon Brown could solve this instantly, but instead is just allowing this to drag on by only asking us 'not to panic'

Currently as mentioned above the Government takes its fuel duty and VAT as a %, if it was taken as a fixed amount per litre we could be paying around £1 per litre for diesel (its funny how not so long ago that seemed really expensive but now that'd be a bargain).

Here's how

Ive taken these figures from Telboys post - The Price of Diesel


20th Jan 2007 - Diesel 88.9p per Litre (62.23p of that Fuel Duty & VAT) 26.67p true cost

10th June 2008 - Diesel 127.9p per Litre (89.53p of that Fuel Duty & VAT) 38.37p true cost


So if the Government had capped its income at 62.23p per litre in Jan 2007 we would now be paying.............

100.6p per Litre

[David Slater]

Theres a whole host of reasons why the government cannot cap it.

Firstly, if they capped tax on fuel I would demand my VAT also be capped and my income tax as well!...as I suspect many other companies would.

Secondly, the government is broke. They've spent everything and shoved most of it off balance sheet with PFI and PPI deals....thats one of the main reasons Brown was trying to scrap the 10p tax band.

The deals and protocols we have signed up for on Green energy and global warming wouldnt allow him to cut the tax on fuel.

In a nutshell, he needs the cash.
 

[dai]

David, both your posts were excellent, I think what you say is absolutely spot on.
And as we moan about the price of fuel, there are mothers in developing countries crying themselves to sleep because they can't afford to buy food for their kids or themselves.
Traders are buying up futures at inflated prices, there is no way prices will come down.
The big switch from property to commodities will hit the poor the hardest. wheat up 100% and rice up 70% in a year, the impact on the worlds poor is devastating.

All this so that the rich can continue to amass their wealth, I'm not just talking about individuals either,
these traders are paid millions in bonuses and some are managing funds that we invest in.

I will be in Indonesia next month, and will again encounter poverty that few westerners ever see on their package tour holidays.

I was watching TV about a month ago, it was a comedy spoof set in the time of Edward 1st.
In one street scene a peasant was sat on a step munching on a dead rat, as I looked on horrified,
my Indonesian wife exclaimed "oh my God. no cooking"!
That said it all for me.
 we really should appreciate just how very fortunate we are to be living in the UK.

[sjm]

David, both your posts were excellent, I think what you say is absolutely spot on.
And as we moan about the price of fuel, there are mothers in developing countries crying themselves to sleep because they can't afford to buy food for their kids or themselves.
Traders are buying up futures at inflated prices, there is no way prices will come down.
The big switch from property to commodities will hit the poor the hardest. wheat up 100% and rice up 70% in a year, the impact on the worlds poor is devastating.

All this so that the rich can continue to amass their wealth, I'm not just talking about individuals either,
these traders are paid millions in bonuses and some are managing funds that we invest in.

I will be in Indonesia next month, and will again encounter poverty that few westerners ever see on their package tour holidays.

I was watching TV about a month ago, it was a comedy spoof set in the time of Edward 1st.
In one street scene a peasant was sat on a step munching on a dead rat, as I looked on horrified,
my Indonesian wife exclaimed "oh my God. no cooking"!
That said it all for me.
 we really should appreciate just how very fortunate we are to be living in the UK.

Excellent post Dai  You need to be a mod and sort this lot out on here ! 

[David Slater]

David, both your posts were excellent, I think what you say is absolutely spot on.
And as we moan about the price of fuel, there are mothers in developing countries crying themselves to sleep because they can't afford to buy food for their kids or themselves.
Traders are buying up futures at inflated prices, there is no way prices will come down.
The big switch from property to commodities will hit the poor the hardest. wheat up 100% and rice up 70% in a year, the impact on the worlds poor is devastating.

All this so that the rich can continue to amass their wealth, I'm not just talking about individuals either,
these traders are paid millions in bonuses and some are managing funds that we invest in.

I will be in Indonesia next month, and will again encounter poverty that few westerners ever see on their package tour holidays.

I was watching TV about a month ago, it was a comedy spoof set in the time of Edward 1st.
In one street scene a peasant was sat on a step munching on a dead rat, as I looked on horrified,
my Indonesian wife exclaimed "oh my God. no cooking"!
That said it all for me.
 we really should appreciate just how very fortunate we are to be living in the UK.

Indeed.

This does trouble me. Should we really be allowing traders in the richest countries on earth to buy and hold onto basic essentials such as wheat, corn and oil all for the sake of profit?

Obviously, my knee jerk reaction is to say no. They are basic staples for most of the under developed world (I hate the phrase Third World as it implies they somehow dont belong, or are not a part of our 'our world'..anyway back to my ramblings).

The fact is, we live in a capitalist country with a free market. It could be argued (quite rightly I feel) that it is this free market that has created our wealth and allows us to enjoy such a comfortable life.

But the system does throw up some nasty anomalies such your pension fund buying into arms makers or perhaps your savings account buying into tobacco companies.

I wouldnt like to try and propose a solution. Greater minds than mine have tried that for the last couple of hundred years and its not worked out very well so far!
   

[Mr H]

Must admit we are all getting very greedy these days. The number of times I hear "the government should pay for that" or "that should be free" but when the government tries to put up taxes to get the money to pay for these things we don't like it. I for one would like to not have to pay any taxes but at the moment it is a necessery evil.

We want to stop global warming (wether you believe in it or not) and protect the environment but we don't want to use our cars less and public transport more.

I know higher fuel prices are bad for our business as we need to drive to customers houses but try and look on the positive side. If more people are forced to use public transport then services would have to improve as routes get busier and so more companies would want to operate there. fewer cars means easier parking and fewer jams for us to work our way through and so better mpg and less emisions choking our towns and cities.

More people might source their produce locally and as shipping or flying goods half way round the world will get more expensive farming and manufacturing might start to be more viable in the UK.

If you can look at it in a slightly more posative way then it makes this world just a bit more bearable.

Regards
Mr H

PS the email at the top wouldn't work as the maths in it are wrong....

[dai]

Dave, there is only one solution, we have to make do with less in order for the developing nations to have more.
We know that is not going to happen, we would have to battle against our own human nature.
We are all programmed to survive, self interest will always come to the fore.

Maybe one solution would be to get a sample of Gandhi's DNA and clone millions of them.
In the meantime, my conscience hangs like a millstone around my neck.