[sjm]

Why dont you take your private religious 'in' jokes somewhere else...this is not the place for your religious beliefs...

I personally do not care what religion you follow...but I see no place for it here..

Sorry to be the party pooper but there is too much of it here...

This forum is for and about window cleaning...if we are going down the route of misc discussions on subjects...lets just say so...

Dave.

Do you have problems with stress ?   I used to be like that  :

[AuRavelling79]

Why dont you take your private religious 'in' jokes somewhere else...this is not the place for your religious beliefs...

I personally do not care what religion you follow...but I see no place for it here..

Sorry to be the party pooper but there is too much of it here...

This forum is for and about window cleaning...if we are going down the route of misc discussions on subjects...lets just say so...

Dave.

Dave, I've noticed you take a very serious view of building your w/c business and I hope it works out well for you. As for me I enjoy the banter that goes on here and will continue to engage in it to a moderate extent.

I agree that sjm's scripture reference was not really relevant to the thread and my response was an allusion to the "Moderator" thread and an attempt to diffuse things with humour.

But posters quote many references here and if one of our more religious (or simply studious) members wishes to post something like "Luke 14 v 28" in response to a "Shall I go wfp" thread then I think that's fair enough. (That reference is relevant I promise you.)

You don't need to be a member of a particular religion to appreciate it or have some secret manual, you just need a Bible. (Or a Koran?) (or the works of shakespeare) And even in the (Post-) Christian western world that's not to hard to find. (On line perhaps?)

I will however try to contain myself and post my drivel in the Chat section ...  

[prestigeclean]

why has,nt all this drivel been deleted , doommongers and the religious , at least you could delete my post lol

[sjm]

You and me both  .

[David Slater]

I have lost a few but I have also been able to hang on to some with the following sugestion....

Most people who have a window cleaner like clean windows (obvious), so rather than lose the customer because they cant afford £15 every 6 weeks I say that I can still call around every 3 months at a slightly higher price  -  £18.  Net result I get paid more for the same work, have space to take on more customers and the customer still has clean windows.

I am actively encouraging many of my new jobs to go 3 monthly at a slightly higher price for this reason.

Mark

Excellent quote... This is the way to go!
Besides you get more for less work!

Brilliant! Top marks Mark,

This is what I thought this thread was about -
Seeing a problem. Recognising the problem and finding solutions.

If that makes me a doomonger then so be it 
 

[pingu]

SJM whether I have issues regarding stress have no connection whatsoever to your religious 'push'...I just dislike having this religion thrust onto this forum.

Malc...is there really any reason why anyone should need to reference a religious text or any other text for the matter to clarify a window cleaning issue?

Now do not get me wrong but I respect anyones right to their beliefs...I have my own  but I do not think it is here...why not have another forum section for those with religious beliefs so if someone needs a place to discusss matters with those types of bias, there is a place...

But quoting references like Luke 21:28 and such to the majority of us is 'code' and I for one do enjoy reading posts but do not feel they should be 'hijacked' and turned into a churchy type homework project.

Sorry for hijacking this thread myself

Sorry to be a wet fish on this but I still insist this is not the place for it.

Respectfully
Dave.

[sjm]

SJM whether I have issues regarding stress have no connection whatsoever to your religious 'push'...I just dislike having this religion thrust onto this forum.

Malc...is there really any reason why anyone should need to reference a religious text or any other text for the matter to clarify a window cleaning issue?

Now do not get me wrong but I respect anyones right to their beliefs...I have my own  but I do not think it is here...why not have another forum section for those with religious beliefs so if someone needs a place to discusss matters with those types of bias, there is a place...

But quoting references like Luke 21:28 and such to the majority of us is 'code' and I for one do enjoy reading posts but do not feel they should be 'hijacked' and turned into a churchy type homework project.

Sorry for hijacking this thread myself

Sorry to be a wet fish on this but I still insist this is not the place for it.

Respectfully
Dave.I will not mention it again 

[Londoner]

I think this country is heading for a big slump but the signs have been there for a long time.
 As Helen said there are no jobs about and the few that there are offer peanuts.

I think its worrying, not necessarily for myself but just because I worry about friends and the general sense of gloom that comes with these times.

This industry is probably the safest there is because we have a broad customer base and no overheads of any great significance. I am still turning work away and my phone never stops ringing but you can never be complacent.

I have said this before, window cleaning is the easiest business to start up and when times get hard in other industries, particularly building, thats what happens. These new starts won't nick your customers in the short term but over the longer term they will undermine your prices. 

[AuRavelling79]

Good points, Vince.

I think now is ok for established w/c's but if I was made redundant from a wage job, had never been a w/c before I don't know if I would want the expense to start/risk going into self employed window cleaning.

High fuel and food prices will impact on some window cleaning work, but an aging population in the retired 60/90 bracket will give a steady flow of bread and butter work ... IMO.

[Helen]

Good points, Vince.

I think now is ok for established w/c's but if I was made redundant from a wage job, had never been a w/c before I don't know if I would want the expense to start/risk going into self employed window cleaning.

You are so right, even though overheads are not high to start up with in this industry, when you are out of work, with a mortgage to afford, and all your other necesitties to manage, believe me you are at a low ebb and the last thing you need to do to yourself is create another situation, which will leave you with less income, any start up in any industry is a risk at any time.
The present economic climate hasn't just happened, it has been building now for a good 18 months.That's what happened in the 80's, it wasn't just the late 80's that were bad!
As they say "I was there" in the late 80's/ early 90's and it wasn't very nice I can tell you. I was made redundant in 1988, there were very few jobs around and I had to take a lower salary than i was used to to make sure i stayed in work. Along with this I got 2 part time jobs to make up my money.  Oh and by the way if anyone says to you "i'll be ok cos I work in the food industry", then they are kidding themselves! I worked for J Sainsburys in their main distribution and production site. They got rid of 1200 over 2 years.
The point I am making is that there was enough going on in my life without having to worry about setting up self employed, getting customers etc etc.
Now today I find that the circumstances around are very similar, redundancies, fewer jobs, lower wages and I thank my lucky stars that my hubbie decided to start the business 7 years ago. We now make our own fortune in life. that's not to say we won't have it hard over the next 2 years (IMO it will probably take this long to get the economy right again if not longer!). but we have no intenetion of letting it go and no intention of hiding our heads in the sand. As I said before this is not doom and gloom it is reality.