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Chris R

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Tips on improved drying times?
« on: January 17, 2005, 10:09:57 pm »
Anyone got any?  ;D
I have read other threads that mention the RH (relative humidity) of the room. How do we achieve the ideal drying atmosphere?
I find that getting some heat into the room, opening a window a bit, and moving a turbo dryer around works best.
Any more tips?
Chris
Staffordshire

Len Gribble

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2005, 10:21:44 pm »
Chris

What turbo dryer, have to admit never thought about opening a window to aid drying times.

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Dynafoam

Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2005, 10:41:01 pm »
Len,

As water evaporates from the carpet the RH (Relative Humidity) of the room increases.

As the air get closer to its' saturation point (100% RH), the evaporation rate decreases.

So simply speeding up evaporation by using an air mover is only hastening arrival at this point.

Increasing the temperature of the room will reduce its' RH, expelling the damper air (opening a window) can have the same effect.

The balancing act is between the two, on a cold day, expelling too much of the warm air can be counter-productive by reducing room temperature, closing the windows to keep in the heat  also keeps in the moisture-laden air.

I find it useful to measure the RH of the outside air first, then transfer the meter to the work area where I can monitor any increase whilst cleaning is in progress.

Remember that any air expelled has to be replaced from somewhere - if this is warm, dry air from elsewhere in the building, fine - if it is damper air from outside, shut the window.

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2005, 08:44:48 am »
Chris

Not wishing to sound obvious, but the biggest difference comes from the cleaning process :o Make sure you fill the "Cleaning Pie".  For me, the biggest difference came with agitation. The right brushes on my Host machine and lots and lots of brushing. The rinse is then much quicker, easier and less water used. I think it was BaneClene who used to claim that every extra drying pass reduces dry time by an hour.  A very experienced and respected occasional poster to Cleanitup told me that he makes 4 drying passes on carpets, even when using the most powerful truckmounts available.  Obviously, the post cleaning techniques discussed here offer great benefits, but if the carpet has not been rinse/dried correctly, or there are practical considerations to exclude the use of blowers, then the job is so much harder.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

Dennis

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 12:12:16 pm »
I always use at least 4 drying passes too. I read the tip from the infamous Brian Tilton!

johnnyone

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 02:46:51 pm »
John

You cover the drying process very well.

Is the RH a big factor at your location?

John
Bullseye Carpet Care

Dynafoam

Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2005, 06:04:17 pm »
John,

I feel that RH is an important factor anywhere.

By far the most important drying takes place within the first second of the water hitting the carpet, thereafter extraction passes are limited in effect by the laws of diminishing returns.

What follows is evaporative drying. Although no further soil is removed during this stage, the shorter the final dying period the happier the customer and the less the chance of complications such as shrinkage, mustiness etc.

David Ware

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 08:48:45 pm »
Hi
Found interesting artical about Drying Times on the following links,perhaps Doug or Ian could copy to this site.
www.magicwandco.com. ''articals/education'' The Drying game.

David Ware

Len Gribble

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2005, 08:58:25 pm »
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Dave_Lee

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 12:18:26 am »
Hi Chris,
What I do is open as many windows as possible, and patio doors on a dry or dryish day. I always use a blower. On a wet day, I tell the owner to put the heating on, then open the doors and window every hour for a couple of minutes to allow the damp evaporated air to escape. Any longer than a couple of minutes I feel would allow the damper outside air to get in.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Doug Holloway

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2005, 07:25:10 am »
Dave,

Like other prorerties water/humidity will flow from a higher to a lower potential , which means that if the RH inside is higher than outside,  then it is best to have the window open.

If however the RH outside is higher then you would find the moisture flowing in ,this is why fog is probably the worst drying day.

However it is complicated by the fact that warmer air will carry more moisture so that it is best to have the room as warm as reasonably possible but with some ventillation to allow the warmer ,higher RH air to flow out.

So in my view this comes back to the common sense approach of heating on , windows open but only slightly on cold wet days.

Cheers,

Doug

Dave_Lee

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2005, 07:14:13 pm »
Doug,
Yeah, you are right, when I am cleaning on a wet day I always have at least one window slightly open. When Ive packed uo I tell them what Ive already said about opening every hour. I get the impression that as soon as you are gone, they go round and shut the window anyway if the weather is not good, so by, in a way giving them permission to do so, but hopefully they will open every couple of hours anyway.
One of the most frequent questions we get ask is "How long will it take to dry."
You give them all the advice about ventilation and warmth etc. They promptly go out after youve gone, seal everything up in their insulated homes, turn the heating off to save money and when they get back several hours later they say "Oh, its still wet."
Dave.

ps. Sorry some, 'Mint Imperial' owner has really wound me up lately.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

The Great One

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2005, 09:42:06 am »
Hi

The best way IMHO is to use a dry system in the first place.

Problem solved.

NEXT!

Regards

Martin 8)

Martin S

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2005, 01:25:10 pm »
Hi Martin,

What, IYHO, is the best dry system to use?  ;) ;)

Regards. 

Martin S
Martin

Dave_Lee

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2005, 02:45:25 pm »
Martin 606,
When you say dry, Martin, do you mean dry compound or low moisture?
I think anyone would switch to a dry system straight away if the results in every respect were as thorough as a TM system. Are you saying you use a Dry system on every occasion regardless of the carpet condition and severity of soiling?
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

The Great One

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2005, 07:19:57 pm »
Hi

No system is going to be perfect in every respect.

Regards

Martin

Len Gribble

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2005, 07:36:42 pm »
He is not going to tell you what system he uses, as some people may laugh at him. ;)

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Dynafoam

Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2005, 09:20:55 pm »
Len,

They do say that global warming may lead to the ENVIROnment becoming DRYer  ;)

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2005, 10:37:04 pm »
I thought he uses Dry Compound with a Sebo Duo.

Or is it Waterless by the way how is it going? Martin

The Great One

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Re: Tips on improved drying times?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2005, 10:39:53 pm »
Hi

I prefer to laugh at myself ;)

Regards

Martin 8)