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The Great One

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2008, 02:42:53 pm »
Hi

Guys, we all started knowing either nothing or very little.

My very first job was for an LA, went in blind (didn't know about work orders) and then the landlord refused to pay, I almost gave up there and then, but promised myself to give it 3 months.

No one has to know that Rob has never cleaned before and he doesn't have to tell them, why should he commit cleaning hari kari?

Rob, as per my email, go in, intro yourself, and go to the next one and follow the pattern I outlined in my email, it's a little nerve racking for the first couple and then after that you're fine. once you finished reward with a coffe & cake at some outdoor cafe, you have just started self employment.

Pricing, go in at around £12.50-15 p/h, consumables charge per item (although I usually supply bin bags if they don't have.

You have my number, will welcome a  call anytime.

Regards

Martin 8)

rsheridan

  • Posts: 14
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2008, 03:50:01 pm »
Hi

Guys, we all started knowing either nothing or very little.

My very first job was for an LA, went in blind (didn't know about work orders) and then the landlord refused to pay, I almost gave up there and then, but promised myself to give it 3 months.

No one has to know that Rob has never cleaned before and he doesn't have to tell them, why should he commit cleaning hari kari?

Rob, as per my email, go in, intro yourself, and go to the next one and follow the pattern I outlined in my email, it's a little nerve racking for the first couple and then after that you're fine. once you finished reward with a coffe & cake at some outdoor cafe, you have just started self employment.

Pricing, go in at around £12.50-15 p/h, consumables charge per item (although I usually supply bin bags if they don't have.

You have my number, will welcome a  call anytime.

Regards

Martin 8)
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Many thanks Martin for your positive and encouraging response - I hope you have a great weekend and no doubt we will be chatting in the near future.

Regards
Rob


Moderator David@stives

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2008, 05:14:38 pm »
I know someone with a dublecheck franchise who does very very well.

He has some quality work and employs quite a few staff.

All he seems to do is drive round all day checking on staff

Atlantic Cleaning

  • Posts: 115
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2008, 08:22:08 pm »
Please take it from me DONT EVEN LOOK AT A FRANCHISE!! I was with one and lost everything because of them. After walking away from the Franchise (with a lot of threats from them I may add) I since found out over 1000 Franchisees have been through there network in 20 years!!!!, and with the 100 odd franchisees on ther books when I left less than 12 were making a profit. Anyone who lasted over a year were either up for sale or just waiting for the end of thier contract to walk away. My advise is invest your money in good training and equipment and do it yourself. Believe me there is no secret to it like the franchises make out, Just work hard and most of all be proffesional

rsheridan

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2008, 09:19:11 pm »
I know someone with a dublecheck franchise who does very very well.

He has some quality work and employs quite a few staff.

All he seems to do is drive round all day checking on staff

Dave - Thanks for that - are you still in touch with this person? If so I'd like to have a chat

Rob

rsheridan

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2008, 09:20:32 pm »
Please take it from me DONT EVEN LOOK AT A FRANCHISE!! I was with one and lost everything because of them. After walking away from the Franchise (with a lot of threats from them I may add) I since found out over 1000 Franchisees have been through there network in 20 years!!!!, and with the 100 odd franchisees on ther books when I left less than 12 were making a profit. Anyone who lasted over a year were either up for sale or just waiting for the end of thier contract to walk away. My advise is invest your money in good training and equipment and do it yourself. Believe me there is no secret to it like the franchises make out, Just work hard and most of all be proffesional

Very interesting story Atlantic - thanks for sharing
Rob

Happyeater

  • Posts: 125
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2008, 10:31:27 am »
How does a franchisor make money?
1. By charging for you to use their name. This can cost up to £100,000 but less for the smaller franchises.
2. By charging you for them to get you business. Mainly you'd pay 3x the monthly revenue and the contract still belongs to the franchisor (more of that in a while).
3. You get charged a % of the turnover (not profit) on every £ invoiced.
4. Some franchisors can even tell you what vehicles to run, which chemicals to use etc. Guess who gets a % off the manufacturers for this? You'll need to buy their t shirts, tabbards etc too and it will cost more than if you go direct to a local supplier.

Going back to the buying of contracts for a moment. Just think about this for a minute, you may be given a nice contract worth say £2,000 a month. This could cost you £6000 to buy. Now imagine that the customer makes a complaint about something your cleaner hasn't done. It's easy for the franchisor to simply say, "We'll change the franchisee" and then go and charge another £6000 off someone else. A fantastic revenue stream, encouraged by the franchisor.

Here's another little ruse used on a massive scale. You agree to 'buy' a certain amout of business (which is paid for up front) and this is 'guaranteed to be offered' before a certain date. So for argument sake, lets say you have gone in to a franchise and they are going to offer you £14,000 of monthly business before September 2009. Great, you think, a £1000 a month of business to control, easy. Erm....this is what can and often does happen. The franchisor has a big contract in your area, or a number off smaller 'national accounts' lets say WH Smiths (again for arguments sake). In the first week of starting business you could be offered 3 stores starting in a week with a revenue of £5000 per shop.

Wow, you think thats brilliant. Then you start working out that you'd need 3 x scrubber dryers, lots of vacuums, mops and buckets etc etc and the first months payroll will be around £8,000 with no guarantee of the customer paying before the next payroll of another £8,000.....can you afford that. Can you control it, can you be on site enough to get this right, to manage the staff. Can your cash flow cope?

Now after careful consideration, you decide its too big / can't be afforded and turn it down. Guess what? You've been offered your £14,000 up to September 2009 and now the franchisor has up held their obligation to you and lets say the franchise is over 20 yrs. They now have the next 20 yrs to get you the £14,000 a month of business!!!!!! You're screwed.

From a franchisors point of view, the more you do this, the less the obligation to get business in a timeframe, therefore less sales reps needed, less cost for them...and they already have your money.

Do your homework properly if you fancy a franchise. Now what I have explained above is what a certain franchise did (and what I had to do) when I worked for them. Things may be different (for better or worse now) so ask the questions.

rsheridan

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2008, 05:19:36 pm »
How does a franchisor make money?
1. By charging for you to use their name. This can cost up to £100,000 but less for the smaller franchises.
2. By charging you for them to get you business. Mainly you'd pay 3x the monthly revenue and the contract still belongs to the franchisor (more of that in a while).
3. You get charged a % of the turnover (not profit) on every £ invoiced.
4. Some franchisors can even tell you what vehicles to run, which chemicals to use etc. Guess who gets a % off the manufacturers for this? You'll need to buy their t shirts, tabbards etc too and it will cost more than if you go direct to a local supplier.

Going back to the buying of contracts for a moment. Just think about this for a minute, you may be given a nice contract worth say £2,000 a month. This could cost you £6000 to buy. Now imagine that the customer makes a complaint about something your cleaner hasn't done. It's easy for the franchisor to simply say, "We'll change the franchisee" and then go and charge another £6000 off someone else. A fantastic revenue stream, encouraged by the franchisor.

Here's another little ruse used on a massive scale. You agree to 'buy' a certain amout of business (which is paid for up front) and this is 'guaranteed to be offered' before a certain date. So for argument sake, lets say you have gone in to a franchise and they are going to offer you £14,000 of monthly business before September 2009. Great, you think, a £1000 a month of business to control, easy. Erm....this is what can and often does happen. The franchisor has a big contract in your area, or a number off smaller 'national accounts' lets say WH Smiths (again for arguments sake). In the first week of starting business you could be offered 3 stores starting in a week with a revenue of £5000 per shop.

Wow, you think thats brilliant. Then you start working out that you'd need 3 x scrubber dryers, lots of vacuums, mops and buckets etc etc and the first months payroll will be around £8,000 with no guarantee of the customer paying before the next payroll of another £8,000.....can you afford that. Can you control it, can you be on site enough to get this right, to manage the staff. Can your cash flow cope?

Now after careful consideration, you decide its too big / can't be afforded and turn it down. Guess what? You've been offered your £14,000 up to September 2009 and now the franchisor has up held their obligation to you and lets say the franchise is over 20 yrs. They now have the next 20 yrs to get you the £14,000 a month of business!!!!!! You're screwed.

From a franchisors point of view, the more you do this, the less the obligation to get business in a timeframe, therefore less sales reps needed, less cost for them...and they already have your money.

Do your homework properly if you fancy a franchise. Now what I have explained above is what a certain franchise did (and what I had to do) when I worked for them. Things may be different (for better or worse now) so ask the questions.


Thanks for your story Happyeater - very interesting reading - may I ask was the Dublcheck franchise?

Happyeater

  • Posts: 125
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2008, 08:05:22 pm »
No someshing very similar though.

wilclean

  • Posts: 341
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2008, 10:49:39 pm »
Hi
   I have two contracts left with global and i'm trying to get out of them but if I quit now it will end up me owing them money, about £3000. I have my own contracts and want to keep on with them and get rid of global altogether as their a bad Franchise to work for. if only I joined cleanitup before i joined them I wouldnt have gone for them. only wish i could get out - I've already told them that I want to stop the contracts BUT they said they have to get someone on to take over before I ca get out of them and that was 4 months ago, seems as if they are dragging there heels. >:( >:(


Paul

rsheridan

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2008, 11:08:50 pm »
Hi
   I have two contracts left with global and i'm trying to get out of them but if I quit now it will end up me owing them money, about £3000. I have my own contracts and want to keep on with them and get rid of global altogether as their a bad Franchise to work for. if only I joined cleanitup before i joined them I wouldnt have gone for them. only wish i could get out - I've already told them that I want to stop the contracts BUT they said they have to get someone on to take over before I ca get out of them and that was 4 months ago, seems as if they are dragging there heels. >:( >:(


Paul

Thanks Paul
Can I ask you how much research you did with the franchisor and indeed with the cleaning business as a whole before you signed up?

Rob

wilclean

  • Posts: 341
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2008, 11:32:58 pm »
Hi

   we did non - we saw an ad in the local newspaper and decided to go for it - more fool me :-[

After signing up with them I decided to try and get a couple of cotracts of my own -  we were alraedy employed as cleaners for a national company and had been cleanig for them for over 10 years and decided to go i it alone. Now we have left the national cleaning company, we now have two global contracts and 7 of our own contracts plus a small window cleaning contract ad on top of that we hace just got a monthly floor cleaning contract at a fashion shop in a shopping centre. The idea now is to get rid of the global cleaning contracts as we dont bget much for them and try and get more of our own.


Paul

rsheridan

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Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2008, 11:15:53 am »
Hi

   we did non - we saw an ad in the local newspaper and decided to go for it - more fool me :-[

After signing up with them I decided to try and get a couple of cotracts of my own -  we were alraedy employed as cleaners for a national company and had been cleanig for them for over 10 years and decided to go i it alone. Now we have left the national cleaning company, we now have two global contracts and 7 of our own contracts plus a small window cleaning contract ad on top of that we hace just got a monthly floor cleaning contract at a fashion shop in a shopping centre. The idea now is to get rid of the global cleaning contracts as we dont bget much for them and try and get more of our own.


Paul

..Are Global part of the British Franchise Association Paul?

Happyeater

  • Posts: 125
Re: Franchise v Own Business
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2008, 03:04:55 pm »
The BFA are in existence to promote franchise businesses and get their fees from....go on have a guess.

So do you think the BFA have any teeth? Thought not.