[Temple cleaning services]

ive been trad 4, 5 years and just changed all my custys over to wfp,im on my first cleans so expected some spotting,when im brushing i can actually see little bubbles of soap on the glass,i guess coming out of the seals. Ive told my custys they will come good after 2-4 cleans,my water is 0.00 and im doing plenty of rinsing,but will thet come good? i hope so!

[Paul Coleman]

ive been trad 4, 5 years and just changed all my custys over to wfp,im on my first cleans so expected some spotting,when im brushing i can actually see little bubbles of soap on the glass,i guess coming out of the seals. Ive told my custys they will come good after 2-4 cleans,my water is 0.00 and im doing plenty of rinsing,but will thet come good? i hope so!

Most windows, most of the time, will give results varying between acceptable to very good - provided you ensure that you use sufficient water and avoid brickwork and vents above the frames.

[NWH]

After going WFP i did 1 house and when rinsing the windows all i could see was what looked like milk coming out of the seals,it dried ok but after the 3rd clean this milking stopped.On first cleans use a mono brush it will cut into the seals and rubbers moulds more and it will remove soap residue quicker,if you`ve been doing a house with a soft brush for no matter how long do it with a mono brush and even months on you will see soap residue appear that you thought you`d removed,soft brushes are hopeless for first cleans as like i say they don`t remove the soap.

[Temple cleaning services]

its a viking sill brush(red one),does the spotting tend to stop after 2-4 cleans though?there is a hell of alot after the 1st clean.

[NWH]

Spotting should stop unless it`s ali frames or flaky wooden frames,if your water is 000 spots will come from dirty frames or filthy brushes,mono brushes hold next to no dirt.

[Temple cleaning services]

so it is the soap thats spotting them then to start with?

[NWH]

If your cleaning the frames it could be a combination of both soap and frames on first couple of cleans,i would ignore this first couple of cleans really.I find that when i`ve done a house about 5-6 times that`s then the result your going to get from that particular job,if they don`t come good by then there what you call problem windows.

[Temple cleaning services]

thanx! im avoiding the tops of the frames at the mo!

[windowwashers]

ive been trad 4, 5 years and just changed all my custys over to wfp,im on my first cleans so expected some spotting,when im brushing i can actually see little bubbles of soap on the glass,i guess coming out of the seals. Ive told my custys they will come good after 2-4 cleans,my water is 0.00 and im doing plenty of rinsing,but will thet come good? i hope so!

flush the top sill loads if you used fairy when trad, I did a test on some of mine when I changed over fairy compared with gg4 bubbles with fairy none with gg4.

take more time on the top and they should come good. if the frames start milking up these are the ones you have to keep an eye on some come good others just dont.

metal frames seem to have the most problems not all. it is trial and error and you cant tell till you have cleaned them which is a pain but you do get used to it.

Keep on plugging away these problems will not be there for long.

Ian

[oasisdweeb]

hi mike.it just takes time.some say 3 cleans but some its longer.my 1st time i did them all once then went round and did em all again(stillspotted) i thought even if they spot least it shows the customer u r trying ur best.my round took ages but i had no complaints(2 my face)and know1 cancelled.i kept telling the customers who doubted the wfp bout safety aspect of it.i think there happy bout it now.         ps are your arms still sore?mark.im up that way mon i ll look out for u if your still round there.

[totalclean]

hi ppl its all about the benifits.health and safety being the main one.benifits to the customers are from now on all frames will be cleaned due to fact that that you are now cleaning them wfp and you will have no choice but to clean these as all the muck would run of them after you have done them,so that is a key point as its a service that you did not do before and now it is free .im not that sure about transfaring them over and putting the price up straight away as most w/c will have a bit of explaining on there hands and to the customers adding extra dosh to the clean will be the straw that broke the cammels back. No more ladder holes in gardens.total privesey to upper rooms.frames cleaned and no more walking of with clothes of line on back of ladders joking dont mention that one.Can do windows that normally you would have had to of left.No need to walk along roofs ellimanating breaking tiles and gutters these are just a few to mention but what ive found is health and safety and free frames does the trick so hope that helps out good luck.

[Temple cleaning services]

i cant really say alot about h and s because they will probably see me across the road or somewhere else up my ladders! and im tending to stay away from the frames especially the top bit,maybe i shud start cleaning them though!

[williamx]

What I do on every new clean. is first, really drub the frames down first, you then use the brush head to remove any drips and excess water from the frames, this stops them dropping on to the bottom windows sills and splashing the bottom windows after you have left.

I then clean the glass in gentle up and down movement, any bird crap or dirt which is still left, I scrub a bit harder or use a scraper which attaches to the pole.

I then rinse off the glass.

Do the tops, front and back first, making sure that you wipe the tops windows sill of any excess water.

I then repeat with the bottom windows, if any window has spotted I then re-wet the glass blade that window dry.

On you next clean you won't have to do this again.

You can get spots for various reasons, the main cause is that the wind blows dirt particles onto the glass when its still wet, this drys and spots show up. 

Always get you customers to let you know that if this happens , you will come straight out and re-clean the windows.

[Jason Atwell]

If your cleaning the frames it could be a combination of both soap and frames on first couple of cleans,i would ignore this first couple of cleans really.I find that when i`ve done a house about 5-6 times that`s then the result your going to get from that particular job,if they don`t come good by then there what you call problem windows.

NWH, you mention after about 5-6 cleans thats the result your going to get from that job?

Im still mostly trad, but do a bit of pole work on hard to reach windows and also on leaded houses, and basically any new largish jobs i get.

Are you saying it takes 5-6 cleans to get the windows up to scratch, and if you are, what is the reason for this?

Surely cleaning a window 5-6 times over say 6 months to get a top notch job is no different to spending a lot longer on a first clean to get a good job from the start?

Im not having a pop, just intrigued.

jason

[totalclean]

hi jason the main reason for a number of cleans before the windows come right,is mainlly down to the fact that these windows have allways been cleaned trad which meens soap as soaked into the rubber seals around the edge of the window or frames if these are wooden.as you know wfp work needs pure water to work this is wy it is so inportant to do all the frame work at first hence removing all the old soap resadue.if you do not stick to this then you will allways have spotting problems,at first the water will seem to evapairate towards the centre of the glass and after a few cleans it will just be flowing down the glass,as if you had just put a hose-pipe on it,that is when you know that all old soap has been removed and them windows will come up spot on soz about the spelling but hope this helps. 

[Jason Atwell]

hi jason the main reason for a number of cleans before the windows come right,is mainlly down to the fact that these windows have allways been cleaned trad which meens soap as soaked into the rubber seals around the edge of the window or frames if these are wooden.as you know wfp work needs pure water to work this is wy it is so inportant to do all the frame work at first hence removing all the old soap resadue.if you do not stick to this then you will allways have spotting problems,at first the water will seem to evapairate towards the centre of the glass and after a few cleans it will just be flowing down the glass,as if you had just put a hose-pipe on it,that is when you know that all old soap has been removed and them windows will come up spot on soz about the spelling but hope this helps. 

I understand the theory behind, pure water window cleaning,

What i was trying to get at is,

Taking 5 to 6 cleans to get a window right? (is this really acceptable?)

Also why cant you just spend longer on a first clean, in effect giving it 3 cleans.

Surely going round a new first clean, 3 times making sure every thing is clean is better than taking 3 months ie 3 cleans to get it right?

[williamx]

Jason

A few years ago when wfp domestic cleaning was just starting out, most cleaners found that they where achieving excellent results after 2 to 3 cleans.

But because of this and other forums many of the problems that they came across have been rectified by trail and error.

Nowadays you can get excellent results after the 1st clean, only on rare occasions does it take more than one clean to get the required result. 

As with any trade, its experience and skill that counts and with wfp cleaning the same applies.

[Jason Atwell]

Jason

A few years ago when wfp domestic cleaning was just starting out, most cleaners found that they where achieving excellent results after 2 to 3 cleans.

But because of this and other forums many of the problems that they came across have been rectified by trail and error.

Nowadays you can get excellent results after the 1st clean, only on rare occasions does it take more than one clean to get the required result. 

As with any trade, its experience and skill that counts and with wfp cleaning the same applies.

Glad to hear that, i really would struggle to sell a method to customies saying it may take 3 possibly 5 to 6 cleans to get right?


There is only really one problem i have, where there is two openers above a large window, i think what happens over time is the constant dripping of water off the corners of the openers must leech something off the frame or the rubber, as all the window is great but for a smear where these drips land?
I end up bladeing it off?

[totalclean]

i understand fully where your coming from,why take 6 cleans when you can spend twice as long on them and sort the spotting problem in 3 cleans,however this does not work,you still have to spend a long time on them at first to get all the frames spot on this will stop dirty water running of them but the rubber seal soakes up a small amount of water you are using and a percentage of that water has soap in it after all thats what you have just took out of the rubber seal then it soaks a smaller percentage back.i know it may be hard to understand but once that rubber is soaked then water just runs over it thats why i think you need a few cleans buy hey in a ideal world you would just do them for ages first time and that would be that sadly it doesnt work like that and this is the theory i have come to.

[williamx]

Try wrapping your cloth around the brush head and drying the openings ledges and corners