[cybersye]

Hi, just bought a peugeot expert HDI as needed to upgrade for a while and to a bigger tank.
I'm trying to decide on a 400 or 500 ltr tank. obviously a 500 would be better option but pushing the payload, also strangely i only seem to be able to find a 500 with a single baffle yet have found 400's with a double baffle, baffled  :, does it make much difference? (having a single one I mean). As I'm short on time and have work to catch up on in the old van I'm thinking of buying the metal brackets from cleaning spot and then just getting a garage to fit them, has anyone else on here done similar? and is it relatively easy for a garage to fit them?
thanks
Simon

[[GQC] Tim]

What is the payload?

[Captain Scarlet]

I have one, the hdi has a 900kg payload ( unless its one of the very newest ones 07 + ) I ve got a 500ltr in it but I do think you could get away with a 650ltr if you really wanted, Luke

[mick hay]

Ive got a scudo with a 450 in it, dont think i could use more than that in a day, so thats perfect for me!!

[[GQC] Tim]

I have one, the hdi has a 900kg payload ( unless its one of the very newest ones 07 + ) I ve got a 500ltr in it but I do think you could get away with a 650ltr if you really wanted, Luke

650l would do, but you might not get away with two operators, two pumps, two hosereels, two people on board. Dunno how much the fuel tank holds, but I reckon it will take quite a bit of kg aswell.

[AuRavelling79]

I know several w/c's using the expert/scudo/dispatch T reg thru' 07 with 650L in them.

If you're 2 man working tho' you might need to take care.

Modified to add:- GQC - you beat me to it!

[steve a]

650 ltr tank = 650 kg full. tank itself at least 25 kg. each pole + brush 5kg.
Full tank fuel @ 1kg per ltr (dont know tank capacity) say 50 ltrs = 50 kg.
Yourself if like me 90 kg. Oil in sump 5kg any other equipment eg hoses 25 kg bucket water 10kg ladder 15kg. sandwiches etc whatever is in the van when the police man drives it on the weighbridge.
 all above eqal 880 kg, not bad but if another guy is in van could then be over the limit

2 guys 500 ltrs  1 guy 650 ltrs

steve

[sair]

i have the 2.0 hdi 935pay load then you also have cab and fuel allowance so i have a 750 fits in nice

will be looking to put another van on road in few weeks thinking of 975 in the new 1300 expert we shall see

[Captain Scarlet]

The payload includes fuel/oil etc etc but not the passangers, So if you have a 900kg payload everything else has been counted by the manufacturer except passangers and the things you put in the van, Luke

[[GQC] Tim]

Really Luke? Does that count for all cars/vans? I thought it was including passengers!

[cybersye]

sounds like i would be fine with a 500 then, thanks.
 Luke, do you have an upright or layflat and hows it fixed? I'm wanting to know if the fixing kit from cleaning spot and similar are any good, I know I could get some made locally as has been suggested before but it all comes down to time and organising/calling around.
Simon

[AuRavelling79]

The payload includes fuel/oil etc etc but not the passangers, So if you have a 900kg payload everything else has been counted by the manufacturer except passangers and the things you put in the van, Luke

Interesting! Have you a source for this Luke? And the last bit I've highlighted in red what does that include/exclude?

[russ_clark]

fit a 650 everytime
remember you do not have to fill it to the brim
Russ

[steve m]

look at the handbook for the van. kerb weight is the weight of the van empty with no people or fuel in it. Then look at the gross vehicle weight, this is the weight fully loaded including driver, load, fuel etc.

[[GQC] Tim]

look at the handbook for the van. kerb weight is the weight of the van empty with no people or fuel in it. Then look at the gross vehicle weight, this is the weight fully loaded including driver, load, fuel etc.

Yea precisely, I think Luke got confused with the two. 600 payload for instance is indeed everything in it. Gross vehicle weight - kerb weight = Payload. In my case that's 600.

[steve m]

if you have a 600kg payload I wouldnt put any larger tank in it than a 400ltr. Full of water + tank all in its probably about 460kg, With everything else in including you the van would probably be near the 600 limit

[paulscotney]

I have an Expert 2005 not the HDI so only 815kg payload or similar. I have a 500 litre pure freedom set up. 110 bar petrol pressure washer. 22kg springer spaniel, bucket of trad gear, 90kg of myself, roof rack, telescopic ladder, proper twin ladder.pure water tank which was full, also full diesel tank, few other non weighty items, went to weighbridge paid £10 and found I was 60kg over. That is without any passengers.

[paulscotney]

Regarding the baffles. Mine has only one centre baffle, front to back,  but that seems to be sufficient although I don't go rally driving. Fuel costs too much lately

[[GQC] Tim]

if you have a 600kg payload I wouldnt put any larger tank in it than a 400ltr. Full of water + tank all in its probably about 460kg, With everything else in including you the van would probably be near the 600 limit

You'd be well over 300kg if you add everything up. What people also forget is that a charged hosereel weighs a lot more then an empty one, same with filters and hoses, pumps, DI canister filled with resin and water....it all adds up.

[paulscotney]

Forgive me if I am missing something but 500 litres weighs 500kgs not 300kgs.