Well it was a suggestion that wasn't really serious, a flame post i suppose, i guessed that glyn would read it and quietly fume, but i never thought he would post. I do have an sl2, but wouldn't know how to make it suck gutters. I suppose glyn has us back with all the new start up starters....But if you could ever get one of those hairdyers in polemans video to suck, instead of blow, you could both work and play.